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On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Pieter Waag <pieter@waag.org> wrote:
> Here's the full blog:
> http://waag.org/en/blog/diy-maker-movement-being-hijacked

Seems like the only real concern you mention for doing our business,
unimpeded, is the net-neutrality point. Your comment about 'Do it
without us' gives me the impression that you feel entitled to some
kind of help (the 'us' being the Government who hands out grants???)
... while I (and others) merely want to be unimpeded while we do
whatever it is ourselves. Ourselves isn't limited to a single person,
it could be Ourselves the biohacker community, or Ourselves the
nuclear family who does science experiments on the weekends, or
Ourselves the University student body and faculty (who society often
feels deserves some tax-sourced support).

I really don't see how DIY is being hijacked... I am not going to get
concerned until people start saying Do It This Way Only (DITWO) or Not
Okay To Do (NOTDO). Am I missing your point of concern?

I guess I'm not familiar with your mention of "the same general
narrative as nationalists"... my DIYbio narrative has been: make money
any way I can, funnel earned money towards research and development,
read journals. Can you provide an example of what general narrative
you're talking about, and who is pushing it, who is following it, etc?

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I agree with you Lisa that we probably all much rather take the pragmatic approach and just keep doing what were already doing (creating open knowledhe and tools), but I am worried that the-path-in-the-making all of a sudden gets surrounded by the wrong crowd and supporters that don't see or deliberately ignore where it's heading.

Most DIYers start their projects just for fun, not interested in the political aspects. But what fun is it really once you find out that others steal your thunder and interpret the innocent label of f.e. "local produced" as a political statement instead of a eco-friendly indicator? Don't you agree?

Another teethless code of conduct is not what we need. Instead I am looking for more tangible actions.

I am now thinking of describing clearly how the DIY movement benefits from sharing and collaborations. Practical case studies, not in terms of ideological principles. Examples of how appropriation of biotechnologies that enabled a much bigger group of people from benefitting, like how the ODIN shop provides access to CRISPR kits that would otherwise be difficult to get. A few more examples would make the trajectory much more tangible.

Please make more suggestions in case you agree.

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On 01/30/2017 09:38 PM, Rikke Rasmussen wrote:
> Lead by example.

This could have gone wayover the top POL OT, and maybe it will tomorrow, but I like
the tone of these posts, and... now to get back to work on developing some diy/low-cost lab gear. :-)

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+1 - what Lisa said.

Lead by example.

Hi Pieter,

I don't see the libertarian interpretation of DIY (as in "Quit your
whining and fucking Do It Yourself, you freeloading crybaby") as
anything new.
The BioStrike project more or less fits the mold of crowdfunded science,
and crowdfunding of science, both traditional and non-traditional, has
always carried the possibility that it could be used to justify even
further cuts to public science funding (without also cutting taxes or
making donations to crowdfunded science projects tax-deductible, of
course, because d'uh).
Maybe all of this takes on a new edge with the political developments of
the last few years. Maybe not. What I'm saying is: I'm not sure I
understand why it became important to you to bring this up right at this
moment, but I agree in principle.

> I've got the feeling that the pretty DIYBio
> code-of-ethics is not going to cut it in the big picture.

True that. However:

> Anyone interested in joining a more explicit statement on the
> indispensable necessity of collaborations, open attitude and reciprocity
> in the DIY movement?

So your solution is to replace a useless declaration with a bigger and
better useless declaration?

I think the saying "We make the path by walking it" fits beautifully
here. I'm game if you want to discuss how exactly to go about that, or
whether there's a better way to do it.

Cheers,
Lisa

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I feel similarly, Pieter, when I see a hard-libertarian rhetoric in DIY. There is a risk that people can jump from "I can DIY" to "Let Them Eat DIY"*, and that can allow you to ignore the responsibility that humans have to one another.

I've written on resilience-through-DIY before:
https://www.indiebiotech.com/post/diy-biosynthesis-of-insulin-and-thyroxine-disaster-resilience-and-personal-biotech/

But the idea was never that "we" should not make every effort to bring lifesaving medicines where other people need them. The idea was to offer a Plan B when we as humans fail in our duty to others, and they have no other options.

Now more than ever it should be obvious that a callous attitude to the less fortunate just permits their oppression. I don't support the SJW / "Shame All Rich White Males" meme at all. But I do think we should be comfortable talking about the politics of making. Being able to devote time and an educated hacker mindset into making stuff is not something everyone has the luxury to do, but that's easily forgotten.

* If you didn't get that, look up "Let them eat cake"

Submitted a paragraph, thanks. I was just telling someone at work who
I came into contact with via an internal trading/events mailing
list... talking about some beef meat farm sales, and he mentioned
hating GMOs... so of course I had to bring up how they get
overshadowed by a few major players that have done some nasty stuff...
but that case by case is really the important/interesting aspect. Of
course I also mentioned how ridiculous it is that none of these
activists/GMO-fans give a care about random mutagenesis. It is funny
in some ways that they buy the radiomutant red grapefruits at the
high-end supermarkets without knowing. Funny in a really sad way.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Mega [Andreas Stuermer]
<masterstorm123@gmail.com> wrote:
> Btw, as most of you here will know anyways. Transient means no transgene
> will be in the final product. You add crispr, it cuts, and crispr is
> removed. The dog will have exactly the same genome as before, but with one
> single mutations (a SLCA9 gene tht is now healthy, as in other dog breeds
> and other vertebrates).
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Hi John,
As you ask I will answer here to your very first email, how to advance a DIYbio lab beyond the basics.
You say that you don't have the luxury of having a MSc or PhD person in your team, well I think that is what you should try to focus on. I personally think DIYbio lab are a great place to mix scientists and non-scientists. And it might actually be easier than you think to get one in your team. Try posting adds around, so that people in universities or biotechs can see it. There are plenty of scientists who have never heard about DIYbio movement and instantly want to engage in it when they hear about it. Someone with training in microbiology / synthetic biology could help you push projects much further, just sharing their expertise. They will tell you what's unfeasible and what's a good idea, what sort of cloning strategy you should use, what plasmid you can buy, etc.

I'm part of Boslab in the Boston area, and we have tons of scientists coming at very event we organize. We are definitely lucky to be surrounded by biotechs and big universities. But my point is that there is a real interest among scientists. Even people working everyday in a synthetic biology lab come here, they're eager to help democratize these technologies and more generally to 'have fun' with it, to escape the requirements of preparing projects month in advance, and simply start tinkering around with some random ideas they have.

I bet you can find that for your team, good luck!

Raphael

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I am into genomics and want to dabble in plant genomics. I live near Uniontown, but I am willing to travel if you have a date and time in mind. Also do you have any thoughts on projects?

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