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9:37 AM |

That isn't the application they were planning. It was explicitly the psych-case cloning of individuals. The articles shared uplist are revealing.

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29 Apr 2026, 20:59 by forkface242@gmail.com:
100%? That's "absolute" BS. Therapeutic cloning isn't all about eugenics — think totipotent ESCs and organ replacement. What's reprehensible about either of those benefits that isn't rooted in religious superstition and raw emotion?

Now, if you're talking about the bioethics of having a complete individual exist who is extremely similar to you — that's a different issue entirely. Probably one for a psychiatrist.

Will someone remind me why we're talking about frikkin' Epstein on the DIYBio chat? FFS.



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Human cloning is 100% reprehensible, and engineering for anything but the remedy of unambiguous disease alleles is ego-trip TESCREAL horseshit.

Even if it weren't being done with a group of people who openly write about eugenic murder of disabled and elderly people, it would still be reprehensible on its face.

You're right: the objectification of infants for ego-stroking edgelord crypto billionaires "runs hot".

Fuck this.

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29 Apr 2026, 19:45 by kanzure@gmail.com:
On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 1:18 PM 'Cathal Garvey' via DIYbio <diybio@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Wow, reveals new and exciting forms of reprehensible child abuse by Epstein, enthusiastically facilitated by someone from this community. I wasn't actually expecting it to be this bad and, yet

Anything regarding Jeffrey Epstein tends to run very hot. That name has become a lightning rod for anyone to imagine any evil or disgusting thing they want. I hope for reasonable minds and the evidence to prevail. I hope people ask questions before jumping to whatever their absolute worst imagination can drum up.

Anyone who wants to discuss the technology that I've advocated for out in the open for more than a decade, then you're more than welcome. But I won't engage in any witch hunts.

Want to learn more about my efforts in human embryo genetic engineering? Take a look here on my site:

Thank you,


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9:32 AM |

Heard. 

Anyhoo, anyone else coming to DEFCON this August? A few of us are giving talks at Biohacker Village and we'd love to meet you. BH village should be more gen eng/biohacker wet lab focused than last year's (it was mostly biomed hardware hacking of sponsors equipment). There will be some great talks by some fun people. We can't do any real workshops because of the policy for "chemicals", but the demos will still be something new and exciting. The BHCB crew seems rad and willing to get BHV back to out punk rock roots. I'm excited.

-Matt (BioOlympia)


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This constitutes a complete waste of time. Period. end of story.

there is ostensibly a purpose to this thread. This isn't it. 


On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 4:49 PM Abizar Lakdawalla <abizarl@gmail.com> wrote:

"The less you know about something - the more confident you are about that" - the philosophers dilemma

On 4/29/2026 1:33 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 3:12 PM alexaxon62 <alexaxon62@gmail.com> wrote:
Matt, very few people in this group would claim that clones cell lines for exclusively therapeutic purposes or that gene editing to prevent hereditary disease is somehow inherently wrong. Cathal specifically qualified "anything but the remedy of unambiguous disease alleles". The precise language around the intended project was, verbatim, "the first live birth of a human designer baby, and possibly a human clone, within 5 years", which is markedly different to what you are implying is the subject of ethical questioning. Regardless, your mention of distrust rooted in "religious superstition and raw emotion" does affirm that it exists, and widely so; and how is one to work, or convince others of their work's virtue, when subjects like this cannot be addressed?

There seems to be some confusion here about what world we are living in.

The first births have, since then, already happened. Genetically modified human children already walk the earth. IVF is real and there are millions of people alive today because of these technologies.

As for news articles, you should read them with a grain of salt. Many journalists tend to be controlled by incentives that veer toward sensationalism and a lack of investigative depth. Some might even have a limited understanding of the subject matter.

I will also add that you don't need to be personally convinced of the virtue of these technologies because they aren't being forced upon you and you're free to forego them.
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