Re: School and stress

Though you do forget a lot of details, I don't think all of it is
truly gone. There are ways of thinking about problems and connections/
relations to be made with various subject matters later, even in
totally different fields. For example learning about the Poisson
Distribution in statistics class has helped me make sense of so many
phenomena in the physical world and avoid falsely assigning meaning to
non-significant series of events.
But even more generally, I think the brain is always drawing from the
wide body of knowledge and experiences obtained in the past - through
school and otherwise, even if you believe you've forgotten it because
you can't recall many of the details. It is so hard to quantify but I
believe is why t's easier to understand new things and put them in the
proper context as you gain experiences.

-Josh
On Nov 11, 3:48 pm, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Cat Ferguson <thricelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think people interested in extra-academic science probably lean a touch off the beaten track, yes :)
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> > I think those who succeed in the undergrad culture of 'cram then forget' tend to have different motivations for learning than those of us thinking about testing honey for pollen on a Friday night.
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> Is 'cram and forget' culture real though, or is that a myth that 'our
> alternative culture' conspires about the rest of our classmates?
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> > (Sent from my iPhone)
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> > On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Does this somehow apply to the "birds of a feather flock together"
> >> adage? Are we all alternative learners/thinkers that have gathered on
> >> this group, or is this a more generalized problem throughout students?
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> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Cat Ferguson <thricelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Sorry if you thought I was generalizing academics around the world - I was
> >>> only speaking to my corner of the US market. There are plenty of schools in
> >>> the US, too, that my experiences aren't reflective of. But it's
> >>> representative of a large enough portion of American undergrads that I
> >>> thought I'd add my voice to the "yeah, this sucks" chorus.
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> >>> Cat
> >>> (Sent from my iPhone)
> >>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Jarkko Moilanen
> >>> <jarkko.moila...@meegonetwork.fi> wrote:
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> >>> I normally don't either much participate but now I had to :)
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> >>> 2011/11/12 Cat Ferguson <thricelu...@gmail.com>
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> >>>> The system seems designed to beat the fascination out of us, doesn't it?
> >>>> Don't learn - just memorize minutiae long enough to regurgitate it in the
> >>>> most joyless way possible. But even in the dark, there's light - i just got
> >>>> out of a neuroethics conference where I heard and spoke to brilliant people
> >>>> doing brilliant work. It's a bunch of shit, this uni business, but until
> >>>> theres a radical change in the academic world it's a necessary evil.
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> >>> No, not all over the world. At least here in Finland the academic work eg
> >>> study (either as under grad or grad student) is not like described above.
> >>> It's quite the opposite. I have never filled out any
> >>> 'select-the-right-answer' blankets, not during under grad studies nor after
> >>> that. Instead my exams have always included been more or less free text
> >>> answers. So, what's my point?  My intention is not to belittle your or
> >>> experiences of anyone else, but don't generalize your experiences to cover
> >>> ' the academic world '.
> >>> my 2 cents,
> >>> Jarkko
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> >>>> So there. Now you all know what I tell myself every morning I drag myself
> >>>> out of bed to go sit in a room and read slides on taxonomy for an hour and a
> >>>> half.
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> >>>> Cat
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> >>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Forrest Flanagan
> >>>>> <solenoidcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>> So I've been terribly stressed by school my whole life, from the time
> >>>>>>> I was 4 or 5 years old I've been chronically late arriving to school.
> >>>>>>> I don't dislike learning or hard work, but mornings have always been
> >>>>>>> hard. This latter comment is potentially due to genetics (my parents
> >>>>>>> are both 'night owls'), but there is a lot of evidence that it could
> >>>>>>> just be environmental conditioning (i could hear the clothes
> >>>>>>> washer/dryer sometimes when falling asleep as a child, my father is a
> >>>>>>> musician and is accustomed to working nights and being active then)
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> >>>>>>> When I was in 1st grade at a Catholic school, I remember being caught
> >>>>>>> reading a story in the back of the work book, and though I had
> >>>>>>> finished my classwork I was 'off task' according to the teacher.
> >>>>>>> Sometime in that era discontent with school began to breed.
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> >>>>>>  "I am a conscientious objector to the child draft, on the grounds that
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> should not have to suffer for a continually disintegrating school
> >>>>>> system's
> >>>>>> abject failure to provide teachers or study materials of even minimally
> >>>>>> adequate quality."
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> >>>>>>>  my bed time has been shifting 2-3 hours forward
> >>>>>>> each day.
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> >>>>>> "My sleep cycle is twenty-six hours long, I always go to sleep two
> >>>>>> hours
> >>>>>> later, every day. I can't fall asleep any earlier than that, and then
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> next day I go to sleep two hours later than that. 10PM, 12AM, 2AM, 4AM,
> >>>>>> until it goes around the clock. Even if I try to wake up early, it
> >>>>>> makes no
> >>>>>> difference and I'm a wreck that whole day. That's why I haven't been
> >>>>>> attending a regular school up until now."
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> >>>>>> You sound like Rationalist Harry Potter.
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> >>>>>>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of...
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> >>>>> sure, except that Harry Potter is a poster-child that was modeled on
> >>>>> real-life experiences like those mentioned here!
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> >>>>> :D
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