Re: [DIYbio] Re: Transgenic CCD resistant honeybee - need help

Filing a provisional patent keeps your ideas protected from "being in
the public domain" and also theoretically from being patented by
others. That's why many professors and schools will pass everything
through their tech office prior to publishing to see if patents could
be filed. Once you publish in a journal it's in the public domain and
no longer patentable. There of course seem to be a lot of fine lines
to walk with lawyer-speak which is why I find IP so damn confusing.
I read a patent by that company Ecovative designs about using dried
mycelia from a mushroom to make packing material. Then you look up
the authors names and they have like 10 patents all with almost the
exact same name and claim, and I just don't understand why the hell
you'd need that many patents all for the same thing (though they are
probably slightly different in the fine print). It's all in the
fine print!

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Cathal (phone)
<cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
> Yea, my point is that if you do make this an open source project and
> disclose your planned methods, they're then unpatentable by others.
>
> Best also to clearly note the obvious "next steps" to protect those from the
> embrace/extend/extinguish tactics used by Apple$oft and Google et al and
> their peers in biotech.
>
>
> On 29 April 2014 11:03:33 GMT+01:00, "Mega [Andreas Stuermer]"
> <masterstorm123@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure.
>> But the exact mechanisms how I make them e.g. resistant against fungi,
>> that I haven't disclosed (intentionally). So that probably is still
>> patentable.
>>
>> Bee transformation with GFP was described before, and you couldn't patent
>> the transformation of honeybee anyway. What you can patent are the specific
>> heterologous sequences.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:30:47 AM UTC+2, Cathal Garvey wrote:
>>>
>>> You've disclosed the idea publicly, so it's safe from predatory
>>> patenting. That is, if anyone patents it now, you can have their patent
>>> revoked simply by pointing to the public list archives where you wrote
>>> about it first.
>>>
>>> No need for patents! :)
>>>
>>> On 28/04/14 22:20, Mega [Andreas Stuermer] wrote:
>>> > Perhaps I should patent my mechanisms before Monsanto does.
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone know how to file biotech patents?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What I imagine:
>>> >
>>> > Selling Transgenic bee version 1.0 in 2015 (after approval from EPA)
>>> > the bees outcross with other farmers' bees, and after 3 years no one
>>> > will
>>> > buy the transgenic bee 1.0 any more. Then version 1.0 will be made
>>> > open
>>> > source.
>>> > 2018: Transgenic bee 2.0
>>> > If farmers want better bees, they *want* to buy transgenic bee version
>>> > 2.0.
>>> > In case they are happy with less, they are free to use and breed
>>> > version 1.0
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Does that sound like a fair buisness model?
>>> >
>>>
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>
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