Hey everyone,
-- Jerome just pointed me to the conversation. Thanks for buying my book, ukitel, if you found errors please let me know so i can fix them in the next version.
Indeed, it seems you have progressed beyond the level of where my book helps you. It is ment as an entry point for amateuers.
With your very specific questions you get into a grey area, which is not even defined by the regulators yet! I once tested the waters with a public workshop
in Dresden as part of the cynetart festival 2013. https://www.google.de/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&client=ubuntu#safe=off&q=biohacking+arte
https://vimeo.com/81553425
I extracted yeast genomic DNA, made competent yeast cells and transformed the yeast with its own DNA. Obviously selbstklonierung. Then i baked a bread with it and wanted to give it to the audience. Before i consulted the authorities (Gesundheitsamt Sachsen). They were confused and consulted the EU commision. They responded and said if i want to hand out GMO as food it takes a 3 years safety testing and registration marathon. So i wasnt allowed to let anyone get close to the bread and had to eat it myself. It created about 10 A4 pages of email conversation with authorities to get to that point.
I am not a lawyer, but as it was pointed out before, very few people work at this intersection of bio and law, especially not outside of institutes. All regulation was made for big corporations or institutes. Biostoffverordnung applies as soon as you interact with other and e.g. teach them. You can do the stuff to yourself at home. Making yoghurt is no issue as long as you DONT KNOW WHAT your doing. It is very bizarre, but in this way they protect laymen making yoghurt from violating the Biostoffverordnung. It somehow differentiates intended and unintended actions. My next step is to eat GFP-E.Coli or sth alike and then consult the authorites again. I will speak to the Bundestagsausschuss on Synthetische Biology about this problem in September.
i heard from insiders in the regulation business that the ministry thinks to revise the entire regulation, but no clue whats on exactly.
As i suggested before, this domain is so grey, its best you talk to your local authorities (often Gesundheitsamt, but varies from Bundesland to Bundesland) to clarify the situation. Or you just do it for yourself at home and no one will ever know. Although that can create issues with neighbors freaking out, as the Beweislast is on you to prove its not dangerous what you are doing.
Best,
Rüdiger
Am Freitag, 3. Juni 2016 15:41:56 UTC+2 schrieb Jérôme Lutz:
Am Freitag, 3. Juni 2016 15:41:56 UTC+2 schrieb Jérôme Lutz:
Hi everyone, Rüdiger was also co-author of the Technikfolgenabschätzungsbereicht for the German Parliament, which you can download at http://www.tab-beim-bundestag. de/de/aktuelles/20151221.html or find the pdf: http://www.tab-beim-bundestag.de/de/pdf/ publikationen/berichte/TAB- Arbeitsbericht-ab164.pdf It's a massive report on the current state of SynBio in Germany and on Page 226 you find some details about lab requirements - but i am not sure if there is anything new for you in there.
On Thursday, 2 June 2016 10:25:30 UTC+2, ukitel wrote:Yes, I think it was definitely the case.Probably there are books, but they would focus on the usual academic or industrial context.
Anyway, I'm not aware of any. Indeed, as a biologist I didn't care about the law details until now. I was just following the general rules...On 30 May 2016 at 12:17, Mega [Andreas Stuermer] <masters...@gmail.com> wrote:Probably the book was intended for the general public, who doesn't have knowledge of what a "biology" is at all.--
Are there no books about biotech laws? I guess most biologists are not interested in all the laws (just need to know the ones that directly affect them), and most lawyers don't care for biology either.
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 6:21:35 PM UTC+2, ukitel wrote:Hi,
Actually I have an academic background and a PhD in biology, but I am a great supporter of the DIYbio philosophy.
I believe biotechnology should be available to everyone and I think that DIYbio can also do a lot to improve the actual system in academy that is driven by novelty at all costs, funding wars and publish-or-perish. I think these things are causing scientists to lose more and more from their view two important aspects about science: doing it for the love of knowledge and doing it for the people, and DIYbio can help to bring this back.
I am looking for other DIYbio enthusiasts in the Heidelberg area. I am not aware of any DIYbio community here, and in this case I would seriously consider the idea to found one. Heidelberg is a great place for it, there are many biology research institution and this attracts lots of students interested in biotechnology. There are many scientific-related events such as science slams. Morevoer, there is also a very successful iGEM team.
If anyone is interested in this, please don't hesitate to contact me.
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