Re: [DIYbio] Is it legal to reproduce an electrospray device?

Anyone out there know enough biochemistry to suggest a way of safely polymerising health-store bought lysine to make polylysine?

Andreas Sturm <masterstorm123@gmail.com> wrote:

>No, didn't know that. thank you.
>Wikipedia doesn't say it's toxic. That's good and makes it a candidate
>for
>that application.
>
>Yet it should be hard to get for average joe. I'm looking for things
>like... don't know... honey or some glue.... Something that you can buy
>in
>the store
>
>
>
>2012/4/3 mad_casual <ademlookes@gmail.com>
>
>> Has poly-lysine been considered?
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 2:52:45 AM UTC-5, Mega wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, thank you!!
>>>
>>> Has anyone an idea how to bind cells to the dish in a low-tech maner
>>> without using polyethyleneimine?
>>> Without that, the idea is not really feasible...
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/4/2 Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> In Europe, it's almost always legal to make use of patented stuff
>for
>>>> personal applications. That means, unless you're making a profit
>somehow,
>>>> either by using or selling the device, you probably don't have to
>worry
>>>> about it. This may be a different matter in specific countries;
>"Your
>>>> Milage May Vary". :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 April 2012 19:35, Avery louie <inactive.e@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can almost definitely make it. The point of patenting
>technology
>>>>> is full disclosure of the discovery so that others can do research
>on
>>>>> it/work with it. It is to prevent groundbreaking tech from being
>secreted
>>>>> away, it is kind of like a contract between the government and the
>inventor
>>>>> saying "you have commercial rights to this for 20 years, as long
>as you let
>>>>> other people know what is going on"
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon is pretty much right.
>>>>>
>>>>> --A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Simon Quellen Field
><sfield@scitoys.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The government is not going to go after you.
>>>>>> The patent owner has to sue you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can sue to stop you, or they can try to prove damages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But since it would probably not be in their interest to waste
>lawyer
>>>>>> money on you, they
>>>>>> might just send you a letter asking you not to. But most likely,
>they
>>>>>> will never know you
>>>>>> exist.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Bryan Bishop
><kanzure@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Forrest Flanagan <
>>>>>>> solenoidclock@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AFAIK, if it's for yourself, you can do whatever you want with
>>>>>>>> anyone's IP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not quite. Apparently in U.S. law that still counts as patent
>>>>>>> infringement. See 35 U.S.C. 271.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Except as otherwise provided in this title, whoever without
>>>>>>> authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented
>invention,
>>>>>>> within the United States, or imports into the United States any
>patented
>>>>>>> invention during the term of the patent therefor, infringes the
>patent."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.uspto.gov/web/**offices/pac/mpep/documents/**
>>>>>>>
>appxl_35_U_S_C_271.htm<http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_271.htm>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in most cases, nobody cares. I don't recall if there has
>been any
>>>>>>> cases brought before a judge that tested whether or not
>>>>>>> non-revenue-generating infringement can be fined.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While looking up a specific quote to that effect on Wikipedia,
>this
>>>>>>> caught my eye:
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Patent_infringement#Patent_**
>>>>>>>
>infringement_insurance<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement#Patent_infringement_insurance>
>>>>>>> ... so maybe we should start dolling out patent infringement
>>>>>>> insurance to open source hardware builders (who aren't selling,
>just
>>>>>>> building or making related kits; and who don't own a patent on
>their work).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Bryan
>>>>>>> http://heybryan.org/
>>>>>>> 1 512 203 0507
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