Here we have another demonstration of the age old rule about groups. It really does not need to be proven again and again. Here it is:
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, Jen Kotila wrote:
>Oh, also, we only have one rule. Rule 0 which is "don't make us make other rules".
>That does not work. At all. While I admire the utopian vision, it has created a very
>dysfunctional community.
The dysfunctional result is a very obvious conclusion, for any group. It should not need to be tested and the result should have been obvious from the start. The fact that the group operated in this way is a give-away to the lack of professionalism present and a hint of subsequent problems of miscommunication and biasing of agendas mentioned later in the discussion. I mention professionalism, and a standard way to handle it is Robert's Rules of Order -- a great set of rules. If members insist on not having any rules, or having no hierarchy, or on insisting that rules only cause problems, it is not a good team to join. Find somewhere else, as bad groups are their own ultimate downfall. Jen mentions "manipulate a community .. against is core values" yet without rules, there are no core values; the values are ad hoc and unlikely to be shared by all. Assuming a position which presumes her perspective on core values is the group's perspective is naive.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%27s_Rules_of_Order
Mac, by the way, good response. There is no way to really delete the topic anyway - it's the internet - even if google groups does have a mechanism to delete this thread, it will only get mentioned later, then likely interpreted out of context, and with no history to refer to, it might rehash again.
On 6/20/14 7:18 AM, Jen Kotila wrote:
>It is fine to try to make careers out of hacking and DIYbio but it
>is not fine to lie to and manipulate a community into making
> decisions that would be harmful to it and would go against its
>core values in order to do so.
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, Jen Kotila wrote:
>Oh, also, we only have one rule. Rule 0 which is "don't make us make other rules".
>That does not work. At all. While I admire the utopian vision, it has created a very
>dysfunctional community.
The dysfunctional result is a very obvious conclusion, for any group. It should not need to be tested and the result should have been obvious from the start. The fact that the group operated in this way is a give-away to the lack of professionalism present and a hint of subsequent problems of miscommunication and biasing of agendas mentioned later in the discussion. I mention professionalism, and a standard way to handle it is Robert's Rules of Order -- a great set of rules. If members insist on not having any rules, or having no hierarchy, or on insisting that rules only cause problems, it is not a good team to join. Find somewhere else, as bad groups are their own ultimate downfall. Jen mentions "manipulate a community .. against is core values" yet without rules, there are no core values; the values are ad hoc and unlikely to be shared by all. Assuming a position which presumes her perspective on core values is the group's perspective is naive.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%27s_Rules_of_Order
Mac, by the way, good response. There is no way to really delete the topic anyway - it's the internet - even if google groups does have a mechanism to delete this thread, it will only get mentioned later, then likely interpreted out of context, and with no history to refer to, it might rehash again.
On 6/20/14 7:18 AM, Jen Kotila wrote:
>It is fine to try to make careers out of hacking and DIYbio but it
>is not fine to lie to and manipulate a community into making
> decisions that would be harmful to it and would go against its
>core values in order to do so.
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