Re: [DIYbio] Climate change solutions?

Yes fracking is awesome!
Cheaper product, cheaper energy from natural gas and less greenhouse gases from production and from consumption. Market based forces. Not bans and taxes, both of which are coercive.
Now burn me or ban me from here for my heresy.
>'Uneducated' Matt PhD MBA

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cline <jcline@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/2/18, Dakota Hamill <dkotes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nothing will change a person's behavior more quickly than making it a money
>> based decision.
>>
>
> Thats absolutely right. Bizarrely the current main argument against
> veganism and climate change is to argue that existing workers in the
> CO2-heavy industries will lose their jobs, which is a hollow argument
> in an open economy. "But cattle ranchers will be put out of work" is
> a poor defense in comparison to global implications, especially since
> cattle ranchers can migrate to a new industry. The paper I cited has
> a reader retort that the paper's conclusions are not implementable
> because 'people in arid climates can't grow vegetables and are reliant
> on farm animals'.. that's incredibly misinformed.
>
> Which, to Tito's point of looking for technology solutions, if the
> above represents the main argument from the opposition, then there are
> technology solutions which can be developed for that concern. People
> do change behavior based on their wallets and based on witnessing more
> successful peer competitors. If the cattle ranchers see neighbors who
> are making more money in less time and less effort by growing plants
> (or whatever), then they will change both their businesses and their
> lifestyles within years. Find the main opponents to climate control
> and present the economically better solution. The prior movers in
> veganism marketed the lifestyle as an luxury product (Whole Foods,
> fake organics, etc) to maintain and increase their profit margins and
> so the public perception is that it is more expensive to be vegan,
> however in real terms, legumes, roots etc. are the cheapest source of
> nutrition, much cheaper than buying dead animals. Especially when
> considering meat eating-related medical costs. (Which is back to the
> cookbook idea. In fact, the most frequent basic first question about
> veganism is, "But what do you cook, how do you do it?")
>
> The difficulty in implementation is in competing with lopsided
> governmental policies which subsidize, rewarding, bad industries and
> bad producers, at the expense of better ones. Which is why more
> biologists and scientists should go into government ASAP.
>
> Long ago I cited a couple papers related to insects as superior
> dietary protein sources (especially if compared to CO2-producing
> animals). Such papers are rare yet cyclical. The first large barrier
> is social, it's psychological. The easier barrier is technological.
> I'm sure if farm-raised crickets were developed into a somewhat tasty
> protein powder, with the protein profile clearly compared to and
> stomping the existing and quite expensive specialty products, the
> nutty Paleo Crossfit crowd and such would adopt it rapidly and shift
> entire parts of society with it, in a short amount of time.
>
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