Re: [DIYbio] Re: Climate change solutions?

Ad hominem attack. You loose, king of pomposity.

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Jonathan Cline <jcline@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> All research on the "plastic grocery bag ban" over the past few years
> has been positive. It has worked, new plastic waste has significantly
> reduced by policy change and public opinion, resulting in.... a
> significant regular change to human behavior. As just one simple and
> recent example.
>
> Therefore your reply is uneducated and pompous.
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>> On 12/2/18, Matt Lawes <matt@insysx.com> wrote:
>> Good luck with changing human behavior. Viz ... riots in France over taxes
>> on gasoline to meet climate goals.
>> Personally I view the 'climate change' data as fraudulently manipulated to
>> the extent that it's impossible to know what's going on. A mini ice age is
>> just as likely as continued warming.
>>
>>
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>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Cline
>> <jncline@gmail.com<mailto:jncline@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> "High-impact beef producers create 105kg of CO2 equivalents and use 370m2 of
>> land per 100 grams of protein, a huge 12 and 50 times greater than
>> low-impact beef producers. Low-impact beans, peas, and other plant-based
>> proteins can create just 0.3kg of CO2 equivalents (including all processing,
>> packaging, and transport), and use just 1m2 of land per 100 grams of
>> protein. ... The researchers show that we can take advantage of variable
>> environmental impacts to access a second scenario. Reducing consumption of
>> animal products by 50% by avoiding the highest-impact producers achieves 73%
>> of the plant-based diet's GHG emission reduction for example. Further,
>> lowering consumption of discretionary products (oils, alcohol, sugar, and
>> stimulants) by 20% by avoiding high-impact producers reduces the greenhouse
>> gas emissions of these products by 43%. This creates a multiplier effect,
>> where small behavioural changes have large consequences for the environment.
>> However, this scenario requires communicating producer (not just product)
>> environmental impacts to consumers. This could be through environmental
>> labels in combination with taxes and subsidies. 'We need to find ways to
>> slightly change the conditions so it's better for producers and consumers to
>> act in favour of the environment,' says Joseph Poore. 'Environmental labels
>> and financial incentives would support more sustainable consumption, while
>> creating a positive loop: Farmers would need to monitor their impacts,
>> encouraging better decision making; and communicate their impacts to
>> suppliers, encouraging better sourcing.'"
>> http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-01-new-estimates-environmental-cost-food
>>
>>
>> The researchers are basically concluding that product labelling will allow
>> customers to vote with their wallets and government incentives or taxes
>> discourage bad producers.
>>
>>
>> See the graphs in the article.
>>
>>
>> Reducing food's environmental impacts through producers and consumers
>> J. Poore1,2,*, T. Nemecek3
>> Science 01 Jun 2018:
>> Vol. 360, Issue 6392, pp. 987-992
>> DOI: 10.1126/science.aaq0216
>>
>> Abstract
>> Food's environmental impacts are created by millions of diverse producers.
>> To identify solutions that are effective under this heterogeneity, we
>> consolidated data covering five environmental indicators; 38,700 farms; and
>> 1600 processors, packaging types, and retailers. Impact can vary 50-fold
>> among producers of the same product, creating substantial mitigation
>> opportunities. However, mitigation is complicated by trade-offs, multiple
>> ways for producers to achieve low impacts, and interactions throughout the
>> supply chain. Producers have limits on how far they can reduce impacts. Most
>> strikingly, impacts of the lowest-impact animal products typically exceed
>> those of vegetable substitutes, providing new evidence for the importance of
>> dietary change. Cumulatively, our findings support an approach where
>> producers monitor their own impacts, flexibly meet environmental targets by
>> choosing from multiple practices, and communicate their impacts to
>> consumers.
>>
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>> On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 9:39:30 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Cline wrote:
>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:48:57 AM UTC-7, Tito wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> Anyone here interested in direct air capture for carbon removal?
>> https://www.fastcompany.com/40510680/can-we-suck-enough-co2-from-the-air-to-save-the-climate
>>
>> The current generation of tech is chemical engineering. I'm curious what
>> solutions biology might offer. Figured some people on this list might be
>> thinking about it already.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tito
>>
>>
>>
>> Climate change is a policy problem, an anti-stance in government, more than
>> a technology problem.
>> The most important act which biologists and scientists could do for climate
>> change is to go directly into politics. Run for an office and get elected
>> and introduce science into evidence-based policy and funding decisions.
>>
>> The meat and dairy industry is probably more a factor than burning fossil
>> fuels. If everyone went vegan the climate balance could be restored. That
>> is the biology solution which most refuse to accept.
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