Re: [DIYbio] Fwd: An intriguing example of working, medical DIYBio

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Josiah Zayner <josiah.zayner@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not disposable sharps. You need to run your blood through tubing and a
> device...
>
> You call it accepting death. I call it a fake article.

Fake or not, I stand by the principle that I like to call as many
shots as I can when it comes to my health.

> If you look at the other articles you posted they bought up old dialysis
> machines so I don't think there is much precedence for this. Dr. Coulthard I
> doubt "built it from scratch" and rather used a base system to work from and
> I am sure had access to $$$$.
>
> I still think the original is fake or exaggerated.
>
> Yes, I have insurance but I don't know what that has to do with building my
> own dialysis machine? As others have done I would more likely try and buy an
> old one a refurbish it. And I can tell you I would most assuredly test it on
> animals first.
>
> 23andme illegal? I don't know where you obtained that info?

From 23andMe when I ordered my tests a few years back and had to make
all the physical transactions happen in a state other than where I had
been residing (New York).

> And sending your
> saliva for genetic arrays is hardly similar to testing a dialysis machine on
> yourself....
>

It's similar in that I can't easily order any/many of the
prescription-required diagnostics for myself, why do I have to pay
some doctor for common knowledge? It's my own damn life, if I'm wrong
and kill myself, well, that just means I wasn't fit enough to survive.

> So many DIYBio people think it is bad that they can't do anything they want.
> The problem is DIYBio people might not know what they are getting into.

So what about the people who do know what they're getting into? Why
are they denied?

> Many
> don't have the knowledge to make that judgement call.
>
> Some guy just posted about cyanide antidotes on the list when there are shit
> tons of stuff out there already.

So he fails at using google... that's a different story.

> Is this really what people want DIYBio to
> be associated with?

Yes, DIYbio is here to exterminate ignorance relating to DIYbio.

> People hurting themselves?

No one mentioned hurting themselves but you, the article was about the
opposite, saving oneself from being hurt by a malfunctioning body
part.

> Risking their lives for stuff
> that is already out there?

Sure, we all recommend buying second-hand when appropriate, that
hasn't changed. The point is regarding what happens when you /must/
DIY.

>
> The reason scientists and medical doctors won't just let anybody in their
> labs/work environment is not because they think the person can't learn it is
> because it can be dangerous, people can do stupid stuff and hurt themselves.

Who mentioned going into random labs? I was talking simply about
ordering a test, walking into a clinic and saying 'here's $100, give
me a biopsy of this lump on my cheek with the cytologist option'.

> I am sorry I don't think it is correct to encourage people to do harmful
> things to themselves when there are so many non-risky/non-harmful science
> they can take part in.

No one is encouraging anyone else to do harmful things to themselves or others.


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-Nathan

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