Not disposable sharps. You need to run your blood through tubing and a device...
You call it accepting death. I call it a fake article.
If you look at the other articles you posted they bought up old dialysis machines so I don't think there is much precedence for this. Dr. Coulthard I doubt "built it from scratch" and rather used a base system to work from and I am sure had access to $$$$.
I still think the original is fake or exaggerated.
Yes, I have insurance but I don't know what that has to do with building my own dialysis machine? As others have done I would more likely try and buy an old one a refurbish it. And I can tell you I would most assuredly test it on animals first.
23andme illegal? I don't know where you obtained that info? And sending your saliva for genetic arrays is hardly similar to testing a dialysis machine on yourself....
So many DIYBio people think it is bad that they can't do anything they want. The problem is DIYBio people might not know what they are getting into. Many don't have the knowledge to make that judgement call.
Some guy just posted about cyanide antidotes on the list when there are shit tons of stuff out there already. Is this really what people want DIYBio to be associated with? People hurting themselves? Risking their lives for stuff that is already out there?
The reason scientists and medical doctors won't just let anybody in their labs/work environment is not because they think the person can't learn it is because it can be dangerous, people can do stupid stuff and hurt themselves.
I am sorry I don't think it is correct to encourage people to do harmful things to themselves when there are so many non-risky/non-harmful science they can take part in.
If you or anyone you know is dying of renal failure and are very destitute please post to the list and I am sure we can start a fund or something to help you out. Without you having to risk your life.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Josiah Zayner <josiah.zayner@gmail.com> wrote:Unless he included in the quoted 60 yuan cost ($9.64 USD) the price of
> I mean the article is scant on information but think about this.
>
> He has no way to test things like bicarbonate in his blood, sodium,
> potassium, water concentrations and the like.
test strips like one of these :
http://www.ctlscientific.com/pages/potassium.html
or he just didn't care because low levels of those items probably
stabilize pretty fast, considering the guy's supposed reason (avoiding
death), this seems like a perfectly fine risk to take
I'd rather risk killing myself than simply accepting death.
> If somehow he managed to find
> the exact flowrate needed with the exact dialysis membranes used for the
> exactly perfect amount of time that's great. Testing something like this on
> yourself is hardly worth the risk.
But you don't /need/ a contraption like this to live, you likely have
>
> I don't think this is inspirational. I think it is dangerous.
medical insurance (as I seem to recall you're a grad student in the
U.S.)... of course it's /more/ dangerous than going to the hospital,
but it's /less/ dangerous than simply doing nothing.
Yeah it would be great to find the original video he supposedly
> And it seems
> like the article is more of a half-truth.
posted, but that may be behind the 'Great Firewall of China' if it
exists. But other's have done this before and succeeded, so I don't
doubt it's possibility/plausibility.
This line of reasoning is what keeps 23andMe illegal in some states
> And kind of scary and I hope it
> doesn't inspire people to try and build medical equipment on their own and
> trust their lives to it.
(without being ordered by a doctor), it's pretty sad to me.
Maybe he doesn't need a prescription, or the black/grey market is nice
>
> How is this guy obtaining anti-coagulants in quantities needed?
enough over there that you can get most medicine if you want it.
Looked like he was using disposable sharps, at least. That seems to be
> How does he keep it sterile?
doable within the $9,64 cost that the article mentioned.
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