Re: [DIYbio] Re: experienced beginner is creating a bioluminescent plant - both synbio and old-fashioned way

2:27 PM |

Not a hope: law in EU is, while more paranoid, certainly better implemented to do what it's intended to than the US. That is, there's no "forbidden" or "permitted" lists (Ahem select agents), instead *Every* GMO is taken as a separate entity requiring a risk assessment.

So, in EU a gmo of a gmo is a new gmo.

Nathan McCorkle <nmz787@gmail.com> wrote:

Bump. Would that be a legit way to get around GMO approval? (that is, GMing a GMO)

On Apr 24, 2013 3:21 PM, "Nathan McCorkle" <nmz787@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you just start with an already approved GMO strain, and add on mods then without needing to get re-approved? Glowing corn kernels would be pretty damn sweet!

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:

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Sorry, didn't follow the link; was only answering the question as I
saw it: "a gene native to many plant species". Which doesn't, by
itself, mean cisgenic.

Yes, if it's from A.thaliana, then you can use it without a license in
most EU states as it doesn't count as "Transgenic".

And no, there's no generational lapse to GMO status in Europe. Once
you put the black magic in, EU law regards it as black magic forever.
However, you can undergo a process of "deregulation" for GMOs, if you
can "prove" that it's totally safe. In practise, doing so is harder
than getting a drug approved, and in most countries it's ruinously
expensive. So, it virtually never happens: the only guys who can
afford to do it are the guys the law was written by idiots to impede:
megacorps.

On 04/24/2013 10:45 PM, Nathan McCorkle wrote:
> Cathal, the paper mentions it IS an A. thaliana gene. The indiegogo
> mentions using A. thaliana... does that get around the laws?
>
> Is there something that after X number of natural generations, the
> plant seeds are no longer considered GMO?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Cathal Garvey
> <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me

> <mailto:cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me>> wrote:
>
> Nope. "Cisgenic" means "from same species", although some liberal
> interpretations say "same genus". Assume the former. So unless it's
> A.thaliana DNA into another strain/cultivar of A.thaliana, it's
> transgenic.
>
> On 04/24/2013 10:04 PM, Mega wrote:
>> Newsupdate...
>
>> Included this gene into a design which is native to many plant
>> species....
>> http://journals2005.pasteur.ac.ir/NB/23(9)/1177%20-%201180.pdf
>
>> Confers resistance to kanamycin when overexpressed. Does not work
>> in bacteria.
>
>
>> Could you call such a glowing plant "cisgenic" instead of
>> transgenic ? Because it is a native plant gene (and as a marker
>> not GFP but Lux - but both just optical markers, used many
>> times, not toxic)
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