Re: [DIYbio] Counter Culture Labs + BioCurious do iGEM: Real Vegan Cheese!

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Any investor with remaining grey matter will be far more impressed if
you can relate how much of a community following and how much
prospective customer loyalty you have accrued. Patents are the cheap
calories of business success, and anyone who focuses exclusively on them
is only interested in using them; probably not the kind of investor
you'd want or benefit from.

On 04/07/14 12:13, Ryan Pandya wrote:
> This sounds good to me -- tentatively. I would be willing to spend some
> time at the end of every day writing up a summary (and as you said, we do
> already do this internally, I would just take out the parts about company
> strategy/investor relations).
>
> Which brings me to my other, and far bigger, point: Muufri is for-profit.
> We are, and we can't really budge on that. We think that the best way -
> frankly, the only way - to disrupt this industry is to do it as a business.
>
> The Real Vegan Cheese project seems to have a different focus entirely. If
> I understand correctly, you guys want people to be able to buy vegan cheese
> online and/or make it themselves. Which is awesome! But what I want is:
> short term, "real" vegan milk becomes available for people who aren't happy
> with soy/almond/whatever but avoid dairy for any number of reasons.
> Long-term, the milk you buy and the dairy you consume in processed foods,
> becomes vegan, because it uses "real vegan milk" on the back-end.
>
> In short, we want to get on shelves. Meaning: large-scale production,
> distribution, and being taken seriously by chain stores. Since this will
> require funding, it also means being taken seriously by investors.
>
> Now, the main things I'm not sure about are: will investors require us to
> file patents? And, will we lose any investor appeal we may or may not have
> right now by sharing everything? What about sharing most things, but
> keeping a few innovations close to heart? (My guess is, that's a no-no from
> your perspective.)
>
> Anyway, those are my thoughts for now. I appreciate that you guys are
> staying up insanely late to talk about this - feel free to call it a night
> and we can pick this up later.
>
> *Ryan Pandya*
> +1 (203) 848-8633
> ryan@ryanpandya.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Marc Juul <juul@labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Cathal Garvey <
>> cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
>>
>>> That, at least, is a comfort. If that's the intention, then, why the
>>> competition? Invite co-ownership with other vegan dairy teams, and
>>> co-abandon. Everyone has a finger on the button, so nobody's potentially
>>> on the receiving end, and we can all get back to effective biohacking.
>>>
>>
>> I would be totally willing to have some lawyers write up a contract that
>> binds both teams to explicitly abandon any vegan dairy related patents or
>> permanently and irrevocably license them under the Defensive Patent
>> License. I'm no lawyer so I don't know if such a contract is feasible, but
>> it sounds like a good idea to me! We could even extend it to cover
>> copyrightable materials to be licensed under licenses that adhere to the
>> free culture definition.
>>
>> Ryan, would you consider something like this? I will bring it up with our
>> team at our next meeting but I'm pretty sure everyone would be excited
>> about it.
>>
>> One problem we might have to tackle is that the Real Vegan Cheese project
>> currently is not a legal entity, but eh, we've spun up quite a few
>> non-profits in the past year so what's one more.
>>
>> --
>> marc/juul
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