On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Ryan Pandya <ryan.pandya@gmail.com> wrote:
We've got two guys here, you have, what, eleven? I barely have time to respond to this email thread let alone sit down for a homework assignment to make a wiki.It's not that we don't want to share everything (although admittedly, I'm not sure -- see above) it's more that we're just too busy for it to be a priority right now.
We're all busy. Seriously. We may be many people working on this, but we all have at least a full time job or equivalent at the same time. We _make_ it a priority to share because we don't see it as an option to not share, and yes that means less time spent in the lab and it also means pulling an occasional all-nighter to explain patenting and openness on a public mailing list.
We're acting like there are thousands of biohackers with infinite funding and lab space just itching for a chance to make vegan dairy (using, implicitly, our research). I somehow doubt this; I think the people in the world that care are all reading this thread, right now.
If everyone used this metric to decide whether to open their research / source code / etc, then the world would be a much poorer place. You cannot predict who will find what useful. Not now and definitely not 10 years in the future. We should all strive to document what we do so we build a global commons containing the sum-total of human knowledge, or at least the more important parts, and I think this counts. When you say that you don't have time, that means that you're not making it a priority. I'm saying that you _must_ make it a priority. We don't have any people dedicated to documenting what we do (except maybe for the note-takers at meetings), instead it is up to everyone to document their own work. I assume you do the same. You keep lab notes and send emails amongst each-other. Maybe spend ten minutes a day writing up a short description of work done and results gathered, maybe take a photo of your lab notes, and then share. Put it on google docs or whatever is easy. It doesn't have to be pretty or take a lot of time, just put up a few notes about what your plans are and what you're doing every week. Maybe link to important articles if you find any. Others can clean it up and organize it nicely.
This wiki would basically just be for Marc and Patrik to read. Uhh..I'd rather just talk. I'd always rather talk.
Or anyone anywhere in the world now or at any point in the future who cares about how to make vegan casein and milk. As the recent response to our crowdfunding campaign has shown, that is not just me and Patrik, and I expect it to be a significant chunk of the world's population at some point in the future, but maybe that's just me being optimistic.
> Call me up sometime, and if you want to record it or whatever - fine, doesn't matter to us.
> Call me up sometime, and if you want to record it or whatever - fine, doesn't matter to us.
OK! We shall do so! We don't have to record it, but if you update us on your research on the phone then we will document your work on our wiki :-) We can even do a weekly call if you have time!
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