Re: [DIYbio] Glowing plant project fails

It could be possible to use a CAM photosynthesis system coupled with your glowing process to insure that the glowing is only occurring at night instead of constantly. But the idea of putting that complex of a system into moss and having it function seems absurd.

-SG

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:

Probably if you gave the plants external energy, they could hypothetically glow as bright as fungi do. But not at first: the pathways and systems needed for efficient transport of free sugar to the glowing bits probably just aren't there. Plants will have systems for transporting O2 and Glucose, sure, but at the scale/rate required? Probably not.

That's a guess, anyways. When I said it was implausible, I was referring to the idea of a fully autotrophic plant that could glow visibly to an unaided eye without requiring 30m of dark adaptation. Fungi can, bacteria can, animals can. But there are no autotrophs that can, even though the potential gains (nighttime pollinators) are definitely plausible. It's simply a numbers game: not enough energy.

On 19 September 2017 17:38:27 GMT+01:00, Cory Geesaman <cory@geesaman.com> wrote:

I didn't know that ban existed, I definitely won't be backing any Kickstarters in the future.  On a separate note: why would the glowing plant concept be impossible?  Wouldn't it just require a bunch more food (like maybe a bath of sugar water to keep it running?)  It doesn't strike me as outright physically impossible - just a pain to get right.

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 1:00:37 PM UTC-4, Cathal Garvey wrote:

I feel that this project should never have even started, because it's
implausible even on physical grounds. But, having said that.. they
could have just declared it a "fail" and walked away, at least they're
still trying to deliver something that would interest their backers.

I'm not super hopeful, but it's better than nothing. I've got no "skin
in the game" though as I never backed the project to begin with.

Whatever hopes we ever had of getting Kickstarter to stop banning
bioscience projects is slimmer now, though; the credibility is burned
and there hasn't been as much advocacy to lift the ban as there was to
instate it.

For my part, I'll still never back something on Kickstarter as long as
the ban remains. They only introduced it at the behest of the
anti-science swarm, there is no rational basis to it.

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On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:49 PM, John Griessen <jo...@industromatic.com>
wrote:
> On 04/18/2017 08:29 PM, Koeng wrote:
>> I think we all saw this coming.
>
> Oh, I didn't think they would bomb that bad -- maybe just have plants
> that faded after a few sexual reproduction cycles.
>
> $484K spent without money to ship the main reward is pretty bad
> though.
> At least they are going to lay off someone and ship something before
> the money is gone.
>
> If only they had located their project down the street from Sebastian.
> Probably would have had glowing moss graffiti last October and
> shipping glowing
> leaf plants today.
>
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