Re: [DIYbio] Re: Biosecurity

On 6/12/19, David Murphy <murphy.david@gmail.com> wrote:

> So [the traditional farmer] breeds from that plant or takes cuttings and grows more. And a few
> years later everyone is eating them. With no safety testing.
>
> *Thus is the "traditional", "organic" method. *


This common analogy to GM food is naive because it ignores time and
scale.  Biologists love to re-tell this story as supposed-evidence
that GM foods are no more dangerous than traditional breeding of
mutations, and every time they ignore these two important factors,
time and scale.  This traditional farmer breeds his mutated plant in
small scale plots and manual breeding takes multiple plant
generations.  Any resultant crop is tested over time in small
rotations because it takes that long to traditionally multiply the
plants, and in practice this historically translated into timescales
of multiple human generations.  In contrast, GM foods are developed in
an isolated lab and when put into the market, are employed in large
scale agricultural developments for mass sale after only one plant
generation, to be consumed by humans in a single human generation.
The result is that with less than one human generation with very
limited medical history as a comparison, the risks/results of
consuming GM food is still unknown, and won't be definitive for
another 200 years (well into two human lifespans).

If you want to take a bulletproof position against the original idea
(which itself was presented without any concrete evidence), it is best
not to use this naive "traditional farming" example.


>  GMO's are *fundamentally safer* because of how
> they're created.

This is unknown largely because of limited time on the market, plus GM
corporations themselves have actively prevented any dissenting
research.  Your sentence is not true.    (It is still an opinion which
has not yet been proven)

Monsanto (Bayer) is/was a fundamentally corrupt corporation as shown
in documents released per the numerous Roundup lawsuits.  Check the
court exhibits of Monsanto email files written by their own executive
team.  Bribery of scientists and lawmakers, abuse of lobbying power to
bias regulations, stamping out opposing scientific research, rewriting
the peer reviewed research to benefit the corporation, even writing
near-lies into research presentations for conferences. And further,
misleading consumers by preventing adequate labeling of GM food so it
is nearly impossible to create a control group which has not eaten GM
foods, thus it is not possible compare long term medical histories.


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