Re: [DIYbio] Re: So...

"The less you know about something - the more confident you are about that" - the philosophers dilemma

On 4/29/2026 1:33 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:

On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 3:12 PM alexaxon62 <alexaxon62@gmail.com> wrote:

Matt, very few people in this group would claim that clones cell lines for exclusively therapeutic purposes or that gene editing to prevent hereditary disease is somehow inherently wrong. Cathal specifically qualified "anything but the remedy of unambiguous disease alleles". The precise language around the intended project was, verbatim, "the first live birth of a human designer baby, and possibly a human clone, within 5 years", which is markedly different to what you are implying is the subject of ethical questioning. Regardless, your mention of distrust rooted in "religious superstition and raw emotion" does affirm that it exists, and widely so; and how is one to work, or convince others of their work's virtue, when subjects like this cannot be addressed?

There seems to be some confusion here about what world we are living in.

The first births have, since then, already happened. Genetically modified human children already walk the earth. IVF is real and there are millions of people alive today because of these technologies.

As for news articles, you should read them with a grain of salt. Many journalists tend to be controlled by incentives that veer toward sensationalism and a lack of investigative depth. Some might even have a limited understanding of the subject matter.

I will also add that you don't need to be personally convinced of the virtue of these technologies because they aren't being forced upon you and you're free to forego them.

- Bryan
https://x.com/kanzure

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