Re: [DIYbio] Re: DIY Telomere Length Test?

Play by play:

> The original question was "is there a way to test lengths at home?".
Indeed.

> Then Telome was mentioned and one of their workers chimed in with
> details. They actually offer some tests and maybe an individual can
> order it.
Fine, they offered a remote service on a DIY-thread, thanks for that,
moving on.

> Followed by off-topic attacks.
Hardly; first they were asked "how do you do it, then?", to which we
are told their methods are secret and soon-to-be-patented. More on this
momentarily.

> Back to Telome's methods and Josiah finds a good article on how Telome
> probably does it.
I'm delighted to see peer-reviewed research rather than merely a
product pitch; that's what this thread is about, and if Telome (R) had
offered their protocols rather than merely a service on a thread asking
about *DIY* telomere protocols, I'd never have suggested we get back to
discussing DIY in the first place.

> You guys did learn something about their methods, right? Now we go
> from there.
Well, yes; and we move on. But bear in mind that in the US, you're not
allowed to use patented techniques except in very limited
circumstances. So, even though we now know as much of Telome's methods
as they've so far revealed, if they get a patent then those of us on US
soil will have to cease using that method if they want to publicly
solicit advice, unless they care to risk being sued for patent
infringement.

I say so partially in jest, to illustrate the core point; much of what
we do here is yak-shaving because we have to sidestep, or outright
break, patents and trade-secret black-spots that limit our
freedom to experiment.

So, let's use what's in the public literature and come up with some
good DIYbio protocols. And if someone patents those methods, we can
reasonably say "Actually, this is obvious to one skilled in the art, or
we'd never have done it", and send them packing.

This isn't an off-topic attack; it's an exhortation to stay on-topic
and keep making great things that help people experiment cheaply and
easily on the stuff that matters to them.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:49:38 -0400
Jeswin <phill...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Cathal Garvey (Tablet)
> <cathal...@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
> > So, when can we stop discussing some patented corporate approach
> > and resume the diy discussion suggested in the title? I, for one,
> > don't hang around here to be marketed patented products; this is
> > DIYbio.
> >
>
> play by play here:
>
> The original question was "is there a way to test lengths at home?".
>
> Stacy went and found a site which she said was probably illegitimate.
> Looking at it, I doubt they offer services for individuals. They cater
> more towards clinical tests and research developments.
>
> Then Telome was mentioned and one of their workers chimed in with
> details. They actually offer some tests and maybe an individual can
> order it.
>
> Followed by off-topic attacks.
>
> Back to Telome's methods and Josiah finds a good article on how Telome
> probably does it.
>
> Frankly, I don't understand what went wrong after mentioning Telome.
> You guys did learn something about their methods, right? Now we go
> from there.
>