I'm afraid not; that information came from a conversation with a former colleague (hence "allegedly" ;) ). It does interest me pretty greatly, and I've been wondering about it for ages. The applications of something like that are pretty profound, but at the same time it could be the sort of wonderful system one should just "leave alone" for fear of accidentally triggering an anti-bifidobacterial holocaust in the body..
On 19 July 2012 10:57, David Murphy <murphy.david@gmail.com> wrote:
have you got a cite for the Bifidobacteria thing? I'd love to do a little more reading on it. it sounds utterly fascinating.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@gmail.com> wrote:
In the gut, yes. Seldom does the immune system react to anything in the
gut, or you end up with something like crohn's disease.
However, most bacteria that step outside the gut, for example into the
gut lining, or bloodstream, or which end up on a wound, will get eaten
and reacted to as usual. This goes for E.coli, as well as most other
commensals.
One interesting exception appears to be Bifidobacteria, which have
allegedly been found circulating freely in the blood without immune
reaction, and which are sometimes found in caesarian-section neonates
born under sterile conditions already in the gut. It's possible that
this constitutes a chicken-and-egg phenomenon; precisely because
Bifidobacteria *can* traverse gut linings and placental tissue, perhaps
they can arrive during the development of immune self/nonself imaging.
In other words, while the immune system is busily developing a profile
of "self" antigens, the Bifidobacteria may have evolved to invade and
present themselves, so that the individual develops lifelong tolerance.
If this turns out to be true in all cases, it would make Bifidobacteria
a far better candidate for bacterial "smartbombs" in-vivo. Indeed, I
used to know someone who was researching the use of "smartbomb"
bifidobacteria engineered to find cancer. Well, not as such; they merely
ended up in cancerous tissue because it was anoxic, and they are
obligate anaerobes. Those that didn't end up in a tumour died naturally! :)
> Sent from Samsung MobileCathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@gmail.com> wrote:It's odd that they make a point of the "disadvantage" that phage elicits
On 07/07/12 10:27, Zebedeeboy wrote:
>
> Doesn't E. Coli have a somwhat priveldged status in terms of immune tolerance due its role as a commensal bacterium?
>
> Zeb
>
>
>
> long-term immunity in patients, but don't address the fact that the same
> will certainly be true of their suicide-E.coli.
>
> On 07/07/12 01:59, Ravi wrote:
>> Interesting approach, I think that engineered bacteriophages are ultimately
>> a more elegant and practical solution.
>> I think that novophage is one startup looking at this, there a couple
>> others out there as well.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>> On Thursday, July 5, 2012 12:14:06 AM UTC-4, Nathan McCorkle wrote:
>>>
>>> Suicide bacteria engineered to kill other bacteria
>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/16/scitech/main20093071.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>> In a lab in Singapore, scientists are designing and breeding suicide
>>> bombers. If their efforts pan out, they will be applauded rather than
>>> jailed, for their targets are neither humans nor buildings. They're
>>> bacteria.
>>>
>>> Nazanin Saeidi and Choon Kit Wong have found a new way of killing
>>> Pseudomonas aeruginosa, an opportunistic species that thrives wherever
>>> humans are weak. It commonly infects hospital patients whose immune
>>> systems have taken a hit. It targets any tissue it can get a foothold
>>> on - lungs, bladders, guts - and it often causes fatal infections. To
>>> seek and destroy this threat, Saiedi and Wong have used the common lab
>>> bacterium Escherichia coli as a sacrificial pawn.
>>>
>>> Their E.coli recruits produce a protein called LasR, which recognises
>>> molecules that P.aeruginosa cells use to communicate with one another.
>>> When LasR detects to these chemical signals, it switches on two genes.
>>> The first one arms the bomb. It produces pyocin, a toxin that kills
>>> P.aeruginosa by drilling through its outer wall and causing its
>>> innards to leak out. The second gene detonates the bomb. It produces a
>>> protein that causes the E.coli to burst apart, killing itself but also
>>> releasing a flood of deadly pyocin upon nearby P.aeruginosa.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/files/2011/08/E.coli-suicide-bombers.jpg
>>>
>>> The beauty of this solution is that it uses P.aeurginosa's own weapons
>>> against it. Pyocins are actually a P.aeruginosa innovation. When times
>>> are tough, these opportunists use pyocins to kill off competing
>>> strains. Saeidi and Wong focused on one of these weapons - a pyocin
>>> known as S5. It comes in two parts: one does the killing; the other
>>> makes the host cell immune to its own weapons. By arming their bombers
>>> with pyocin S5, Saeidi and Wong found that they could kill many
>>> P.aeruginosa strains that cause problems for hospital patients.
>>>
>>> In preliminary lab tests, the E.coli bombers proved to be remarkably
>>> effective against P.aeruginosa. When the two species were mixed
>>> together, the bombers took out around 99% of their targets. They even
>>> killed around 90% of cells in slimy communities of P.aeruginosa called
>>> biofilms. Biofilms are like bacterial cities and they are notoriously
>>> hard to destroy. The E.coli bombers levelled them.
>>>
>>> Of course, Saeidi and Wong's method is a long way from actual clinical
>>> use. They haven't even tested their suicide bomber bacteria in a live
>>> animal yet, much less in human patients. This is merely a proof of
>>> principle. Even so, it's hard not to get excited about scientists
>>> exploring ingenious new ways of tackling infectious bacteria. We are,
>>> after all, losing the war against such microbes.
>>>
>>> The development of new anti-bacterial drugs has ground to a halt. The
>>> vast majority of antibiotic classes were created between the 1940s and
>>> 1960s, with only two new ones entering the market in the last decade.
>>> Meanwhile, bacteria have been evolving resistance to current arsenal,
>>> and people have already documented strains that resist virtually all
>>> of our known drugs.
>>>
>>> P.aeruginosa is particularly hard to treat because it's already
>>> naturally resistant to a large variety of antibiotics. It has a number
>>> of molecular pumps that evict any drug that gets inside it. Doctors
>>> often try to treat it by hitting it with a number of different drugs,
>>> but it can shift to a dormant and tolerant state, where it survives by
>>> keeping its head down. Meanwhile, the drug onslaught harms helpful
>>> bacteria that normally colonise our bodies.
>>>
>>> As an alternative, some scientists have tried using viruses called
>>> phages, which target and kill bacteria. They've had some success in
>>> mice but Saeidi and Wong think that this approach has problems. It can
>>> only be used once - after that, the host developed antibodies against
>>> the viruses.
>>>
>>> Saeidi and Wong have taken a different approach. Their work is an
>>> example of the exciting field of synthetic biology, where scientists
>>> tweak biology to perform tasks that their natural counterparts cannot.
>>> Often, this involves knitting together natural components in new
>>> combinations, like picking parts off a shelf to create custom-built
>>> living things. In this case, Saeidi and Wong connected the genetic
>>> components for recognising P.aeruginosa, creating pyocin and
>>> committing explosive suicide, so that the first event would trigger
>>> the latter two.
>>>
>>> The field has produced some amusing parlour tricks as well as more
>>> useful achievements, including using bacteria and fungi to make
>>> antimalarial drugs, create biofuels, decontaminate water and even hunt
>>> cancer cells. But until now, no one has tried to send bacteria after
>>> their own kind. Saeidi and Wong's study may be preliminary, but they
>>> have blazed a fresh and intriguing trail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nathan McCorkle
>>> Rochester Institute of Technology
>>> College of Science, Biotechnology/Bioinformatics
>>>
>>
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