[DIYbio] Re: Simple basic question

Hi,

I think what Dina is alluding to is the fact that kombucha scoby has been used by the fashion industry to make clothes. Dried scoby appears leathery, can be tanned and shaped into clothes. I think it is even being marketed as a possible vegan alternative to leather. The mayor problem with it is that it gets slimy and unpleasant if wet, which is probably why Dina wants to know more about making kombucha leather waterproof.
http://fashioningcircuits.com/?p=2127

As far as I know scoby leather is fairly new and was pioneered by Susan Lee (see  the article above). At the Ascus lab in Edinburgh my colleagues are also experimenting with making stuff out of kombucha scoby and also from fungal micelium. They are also in contact with Susan I think. If you want to know more, head on over to their website and just ask them, they are a very helpful bunch: http://www.ascus.org.uk/


On Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:09:49 UTC+1, Reginald Smith wrote:
Hi, vinegar manufacturer here. I have not heard of this and I think there may be some confusion about making "leather" with a kombucha scoby. First, leather is from cow hide and the structural proteins that make up leather are collagens. Kombucha scoby is actually just a mother of vinegar (kombucha is basically dilute vinegar from a sugary tea base) which is made of cellulose as you state below.

There is actually a large amount of research being done on using mother of vinegar cellulose has a possible feedstock for paper production, mostly using Komagaetaeibacter xylinus (also known as Gluconacetobacter xylinus or Acetobacter xylinus in old books). This is a very productive cellulose producing strain and they try to have it make cellulose using a glucose feedstock instead of alcohol (as in vinegar production) since it is less expensive. The cost and quality haven't quite gotten there yet though.


On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:45 PM UTC-4, Dina Amiri wrote:

Hello!
Who was the first person who discovered we can make leather with kombucha's scoby? Was it used in the past or it's a new discovery?  What is the importance of this discovery?  If bacterial leather consists of cellulose can it be treated like paper? If researchers came up with an enzime to make paper waterproof,  can this also work for bacterial leather?
Thank you.

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[DIYbio] Re: Simple basic question

Hi, vinegar manufacturer here. I have not heard of this and I think there may be some confusion about making "leather" with a kombucha scoby. First, leather is from cow hide and the structural proteins that make up leather are collagens. Kombucha scoby is actually just a mother of vinegar (kombucha is basically dilute vinegar from a sugary tea base) which is made of cellulose as you state below.

There is actually a large amount of research being done on using mother of vinegar cellulose has a possible feedstock for paper production, mostly using Komagaetaeibacter xylinus (also known as Gluconacetobacter xylinus or Acetobacter xylinus in old books). This is a very productive cellulose producing strain and they try to have it make cellulose using a glucose feedstock instead of alcohol (as in vinegar production) since it is less expensive. The cost and quality haven't quite gotten there yet though.


On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:08:45 PM UTC-4, Dina Amiri wrote:

Hello!
Who was the first person who discovered we can make leather with kombucha's scoby? Was it used in the past or it's a new discovery?  What is the importance of this discovery?  If bacterial leather consists of cellulose can it be treated like paper? If researchers came up with an enzime to make paper waterproof,  can this also work for bacterial leather?
Thank you.

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[DIYbio] A good read on crowd sourced drug discovery and metabolic pathway model finding ways to deal with resistant pathogens.

We Do Things Differently by Mark Stevenson
https://atlasofthefuture.org/futureread-we-do-things-differently-mark-stevenson/

Ch 3. Bug in the System
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sacgegw4heq96le/'We Do Things Differently by Mark Stevenson - Bug in the System.pdf'

The book in general shows how collaboration can be helped to succeed in various fields of learning, bio, farming,
energy, even politics.

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[DIYbio] Simple basic question

Hello!
Who was the first person who discovered we can make leather with kombucha's scoby? Was it used in the past or it's a new discovery?  What is the importance of this discovery?  If bacterial leather consists of cellulose can it be treated like paper? If researchers came up with an enzime to make paper waterproof,  can this also work for bacterial leather?
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Re: [DIYbio] Metafluidics Community Outreach

Hi Israel,

Excelent idea!

I was thinking about it after participate a Microfluidics Workshop in Brazil last week:

http://pages.cnpem.br/workshopmicrofluidica/

After the Workshop I was thinking about how to exchange information with other people about microfluidics.

I already registered on the Metafluidics site, but would like to know if there is a mailing list such as the DIYbio (diybio@googlegroups.com).

Best Regards,

Markos

www.c2o.pro.br



Em 26-07-2018 16:00, Israel Sosa escreveu:

Dear BioNyfiken,

Hello, my name is Israel Sosa, and I am an editor of Metafluidics, an open repository for microfluidic devices and parts!

Our mission at Metafluidics is to bring together the global community of microfluidic researchers, designers, users, and enthusiasts through the sharing, innovation, and reproduction of microfluidic designs. The Metafluidics team would love to invite you to become a part of our community!


You can read more about Metafluidics in Nature Biotechnology, as well as via MIT News. Please visit Metafluidics to view our collection of microfluidic devices and parts shared by other microfluidic aficionados around the globe. By creating an account, you can download and share your own designs with the global community. We hope you join Metafluidics today!


Finally, the Community Biotechnology Initiative team at the MIT Media Lab would also like to invite you to apply to the second annual Global Community BioSummit that will be held October 26-28, 2018 at the MIT Media Lab in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Bio Summit brings together bio-enthusiasts from all around the world, including innovators in microfluidics. You can learn more via our websites for Bio Summit 2018 and 2017. While the official application deadline has just passed, we are still accepting applications, but will prioritize those who submitted prior to the deadline. We hope to see you in October!


Should you have any questions or comments about Metafluidics, our site, our mission, or anything in between, please feel free to contact us by emailing metafluidics.info@gmail.com. We hope that you'll join us in our mission of promoting open-source microfluidics!


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[DIYbio] Re: Tissue culturing any plant

Had to edit for clarity 



On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:14:45 PM UTC+2, Andreas "Mega" Stuermer wrote:
Hi guys, 

after routinely culturing tobacco for some time, we have been trying some other plants out of the woods. Attached is a short description how to do the hormone assay. Basically it should be possible to clone any given plant on MS medium (ingredients listed) but it is crucial to get the concentrations right. 

I do have to say that the sterilization process of 30 seconds in Ethanol and 3 minutes in 35% household bleach seemed too weak - most of the petri dishes still molded, which isn't the case for inside-grown tobacco.


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[DIYbio] Tissue culturing any plant

Hi guys, 

after routinely culturing tobacco for some time, we have been trying some other plants out of the woods. Attached is a short description how to do the hormone assay. Basically it should be possible to clone any given plant on MS medium (ingredients listed) but it is crucial to get the concentrations right. 

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[DIYbio] Re: Eppur si muove!

Maybe it was intended by the judges. 
"Yes, it is genetic engineering. What are you going to do about it? 1) finally make GMO regulations that make sense 2) fall way behind China and the US and other countries, even more"

If this was their thought process, I bow to their wisdom






On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:01:35 PM UTC+2, Andreas "Mega" Stuermer wrote:
It will definitely set in motion a thought process in Joe Average people. "If this crisp is so much safer and precise than normal methods, why are they still prohibiting it?!111"




On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 11:11:20 PM UTC+2, Arndt Großmann wrote:
I am sorry, but I have to disagree with your assessment. While I would agree that the EU should have a discussion about its stance on GMOs, that is politics and not the courts place. The court just ruled that all GMOs should be considered GMOs from a legal point of view, which makes a lot of sense to me. I would not even be surprised, if the ruling forced that discussion.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 8:38:59 PM UTC+2, Ruediger Trojok wrote:
Dear world,
today i had to read about the European court of justice decision about how they consider mutatgenesis methods to be subject to the GMO legislation.
This legislation builds upon the precautionary principle, a well intended but poorly understood idea to prevent harm from ecosystems and humans of unintended or
careless effects of human technical intervention. For some historic reason this concept is only applied on genetic engineering, not on radioactive mutatenesis of crops or other even more crude methods such as road construction spreading mutagenic toluene widely and uncontrolled into ecosystems, cities and farmland.
It argues, that the more you can possible know about the method you employ, the more care you have to take to prevent future harm, putting the burdon of proof on  the one who takes action.

The decission of the European court however argues, that even methods which cause mutations which are so mild that they cant even be distinguished from natural mutation rates also have to obey the same reasoning. They argue they could be potentially very dangerous, without even giving a reference on where they base that perspective on. The position of the catholic church and the vatican is so much wider and more progressive in comparison! 

It appears that the judges have not understood what evolution is, and that such mutations and change of genetic code is a very normal occurence, happening billion fold in the very bodies of the humans acting as judges for this court in the very same moment they singed off this ruling. They obviously have not understood what already Charles Darwin laid out in his evolution theory in the 19th century. Or Carl Woese in the 1980ies with his description of horizontal gene transfer. 

This decission is an insult to anyone who thinks rationally and considers the sciences as a source of arguments to shape his or her view on the world and compares the ignorance of the inquisition who silenced Galileo who claimed the world is not the center of the universe.  As if nature was static and would never change, as if it would break apart if there would be a willfully and knowingly induce change. This idea sounds to me as absurd, as if the judges assume the world was created 5000 years ago and dinosaur skeletons where put by some aliens into the ground just to make us wonder where they came from...How times have changed since Galileo, who would have guessed!

Not that the ruling puts the decission on how to actually handle those complex new technologies back to national legislation, thus further fragmenting the market and economic viability and usability of the knowledge on evolution and nature. It will result in different interpretations of this existentially constituting insights into how our very existance works into different nations, where language and regulatory barriers will separate the european nations in their self perception. Obivously Europe shares a continuous ecosystem, as such it will only cause a lot of trouble with genetic material crossing borders....I can already anticipate a witch hunt on people from other nations with a different perception on nature...

I call this decission pure ignorance and weakness of mind and spirit. I expected much moreintellect and moral integrity of such an institution which should be able to shoulder decissions for more than 500million people, the biggest economic zone in the world and an entire continent and its ecosystem. 
The decission is not even consistent with the notion of the precautionary principle itself, which says the world has to be left behind to the following generations in a livable condition.

I consider myself as a representative of the first generation which followed after the introduction of the precautionary principle. I was educated in molecular biology and now want to be able to determine what is a desired or non desired or dangerous and non dangerous intervention into nature after the best of my understanding and knowledge. The judges deny me to use my education and view on the world, make a living with my learned profession impossible and deny me independent decission using my own ability to judge whats right and wrong. Instead they sheepishly refer to the intention of the precautionary principle in a hard interpretation of it.
This hard interpretation puts an impossible burdon of evidence on the person willing to make the slightest modification in nature. It in return only empowers individuals and groups which play on fear and ignorance which injustifiably exaggerate non existing dangers of using this knowledge, in the same time drawing a fairy tale narrative on what the "right" nature is. This has no grounding in any reasonable science and is purely founded in ideology and religious beliefs. The voice of science and reason is smothered this way. If the legislation will not change, the world will evolutionarily drift apart in ecosystems which dont follow the precautionary principle and actively engage in shaping the genetic makeup of their nature, and Europe and countries and connected ecosystems which do.

Personally i was never in favour of such separatist development like the Brexit. Unfortunately the european Parliament is set up so weak that it cannot even sugggest new laws, which could correct this epochal failure of the judges in this court. Only a corrupt and intransparent pseudo governemnt called "EU comission" now can fix this problem. Considering their miserable political performance in other fields i have no hope though. Thus, i wish the Brexiteers best of luck. Dont accept any decissions of this court! This institution has lost its credibility for me.

A sad day for science, a sad day for Europe.
Eppur si muove.

Sincerely,
Rüdiger Trojok



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[DIYbio] Re: Eppur si muove!

It will definitely set in motion a thought process in Joe Average people. "If this crisp is so much safer and precise than normal methods, why are they still prohibiting it?!111"




On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 11:11:20 PM UTC+2, Arndt Großmann wrote:
I am sorry, but I have to disagree with your assessment. While I would agree that the EU should have a discussion about its stance on GMOs, that is politics and not the courts place. The court just ruled that all GMOs should be considered GMOs from a legal point of view, which makes a lot of sense to me. I would not even be surprised, if the ruling forced that discussion.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 8:38:59 PM UTC+2, Ruediger Trojok wrote:
Dear world,
today i had to read about the European court of justice decision about how they consider mutatgenesis methods to be subject to the GMO legislation.
This legislation builds upon the precautionary principle, a well intended but poorly understood idea to prevent harm from ecosystems and humans of unintended or
careless effects of human technical intervention. For some historic reason this concept is only applied on genetic engineering, not on radioactive mutatenesis of crops or other even more crude methods such as road construction spreading mutagenic toluene widely and uncontrolled into ecosystems, cities and farmland.
It argues, that the more you can possible know about the method you employ, the more care you have to take to prevent future harm, putting the burdon of proof on  the one who takes action.

The decission of the European court however argues, that even methods which cause mutations which are so mild that they cant even be distinguished from natural mutation rates also have to obey the same reasoning. They argue they could be potentially very dangerous, without even giving a reference on where they base that perspective on. The position of the catholic church and the vatican is so much wider and more progressive in comparison! 

It appears that the judges have not understood what evolution is, and that such mutations and change of genetic code is a very normal occurence, happening billion fold in the very bodies of the humans acting as judges for this court in the very same moment they singed off this ruling. They obviously have not understood what already Charles Darwin laid out in his evolution theory in the 19th century. Or Carl Woese in the 1980ies with his description of horizontal gene transfer. 

This decission is an insult to anyone who thinks rationally and considers the sciences as a source of arguments to shape his or her view on the world and compares the ignorance of the inquisition who silenced Galileo who claimed the world is not the center of the universe.  As if nature was static and would never change, as if it would break apart if there would be a willfully and knowingly induce change. This idea sounds to me as absurd, as if the judges assume the world was created 5000 years ago and dinosaur skeletons where put by some aliens into the ground just to make us wonder where they came from...How times have changed since Galileo, who would have guessed!

Not that the ruling puts the decission on how to actually handle those complex new technologies back to national legislation, thus further fragmenting the market and economic viability and usability of the knowledge on evolution and nature. It will result in different interpretations of this existentially constituting insights into how our very existance works into different nations, where language and regulatory barriers will separate the european nations in their self perception. Obivously Europe shares a continuous ecosystem, as such it will only cause a lot of trouble with genetic material crossing borders....I can already anticipate a witch hunt on people from other nations with a different perception on nature...

I call this decission pure ignorance and weakness of mind and spirit. I expected much moreintellect and moral integrity of such an institution which should be able to shoulder decissions for more than 500million people, the biggest economic zone in the world and an entire continent and its ecosystem. 
The decission is not even consistent with the notion of the precautionary principle itself, which says the world has to be left behind to the following generations in a livable condition.

I consider myself as a representative of the first generation which followed after the introduction of the precautionary principle. I was educated in molecular biology and now want to be able to determine what is a desired or non desired or dangerous and non dangerous intervention into nature after the best of my understanding and knowledge. The judges deny me to use my education and view on the world, make a living with my learned profession impossible and deny me independent decission using my own ability to judge whats right and wrong. Instead they sheepishly refer to the intention of the precautionary principle in a hard interpretation of it.
This hard interpretation puts an impossible burdon of evidence on the person willing to make the slightest modification in nature. It in return only empowers individuals and groups which play on fear and ignorance which injustifiably exaggerate non existing dangers of using this knowledge, in the same time drawing a fairy tale narrative on what the "right" nature is. This has no grounding in any reasonable science and is purely founded in ideology and religious beliefs. The voice of science and reason is smothered this way. If the legislation will not change, the world will evolutionarily drift apart in ecosystems which dont follow the precautionary principle and actively engage in shaping the genetic makeup of their nature, and Europe and countries and connected ecosystems which do.

Personally i was never in favour of such separatist development like the Brexit. Unfortunately the european Parliament is set up so weak that it cannot even sugggest new laws, which could correct this epochal failure of the judges in this court. Only a corrupt and intransparent pseudo governemnt called "EU comission" now can fix this problem. Considering their miserable political performance in other fields i have no hope though. Thus, i wish the Brexiteers best of luck. Dont accept any decissions of this court! This institution has lost its credibility for me.

A sad day for science, a sad day for Europe.
Eppur si muove.

Sincerely,
Rüdiger Trojok



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[DIYbio] Metafluidics Community Outreach

Dear BioNyfiken,

Hello, my name is Israel Sosa, and I am an editor of Metafluidics, an open repository for microfluidic devices and parts!

Our mission at Metafluidics is to bring together the global community of microfluidic researchers, designers, users, and enthusiasts through the sharing, innovation, and reproduction of microfluidic designs. The Metafluidics team would love to invite you to become a part of our community!


You can read more about Metafluidics in Nature Biotechnology, as well as via MIT News. Please visit Metafluidics to view our collection of microfluidic devices and parts shared by other microfluidic aficionados around the globe. By creating an account, you can download and share your own designs with the global community. We hope you join Metafluidics today!


Finally, the Community Biotechnology Initiative team at the MIT Media Lab would also like to invite you to apply to the second annual Global Community BioSummit that will be held October 26-28, 2018 at the MIT Media Lab in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Bio Summit brings together bio-enthusiasts from all around the world, including innovators in microfluidics. You can learn more via our websites for Bio Summit 2018 and 2017. While the official application deadline has just passed, we are still accepting applications, but will prioritize those who submitted prior to the deadline. We hope to see you in October!


Should you have any questions or comments about Metafluidics, our site, our mission, or anything in between, please feel free to contact us by emailing metafluidics.info@gmail.com. We hope that you'll join us in our mission of promoting open-source microfluidics!


Sincerely,

Israel Sosa

Editor, Metafluidics

www.metafluidics.org

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[DIYbio] Re: Freedom Evo Tecan Troubleshooting

There has recently been some renewed activity on the legacy TecanProgramming email list (on yahoo groups, yes, yahoo groups).  Anyone can get support there from others still using the hardware & software.  

There are many reasons why a PC suddenly might not connect to the Tecan, especially since it is based on the horrible Windows operating system.  Real work should never be done on a Windows PC.

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[DIYbio] Re: Eppur si muove!

"Dann ist es nicht mehr mein Land..."

Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2018 23:11:20 UTC+2 schrieb Arndt Großmann:
I am sorry, but I have to disagree with your assessment. While I would agree that the EU should have a discussion about its stance on GMOs, that is politics and not the courts place. The court just ruled that all GMOs should be considered GMOs from a legal point of view, which makes a lot of sense to me. I would not even be surprised, if the ruling forced that discussion.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 8:38:59 PM UTC+2, Ruediger Trojok wrote:
Dear world,
today i had to read about the European court of justice decision about how they consider mutatgenesis methods to be subject to the GMO legislation.
This legislation builds upon the precautionary principle, a well intended but poorly understood idea to prevent harm from ecosystems and humans of unintended or
careless effects of human technical intervention. For some historic reason this concept is only applied on genetic engineering, not on radioactive mutatenesis of crops or other even more crude methods such as road construction spreading mutagenic toluene widely and uncontrolled into ecosystems, cities and farmland.
It argues, that the more you can possible know about the method you employ, the more care you have to take to prevent future harm, putting the burdon of proof on  the one who takes action.

The decission of the European court however argues, that even methods which cause mutations which are so mild that they cant even be distinguished from natural mutation rates also have to obey the same reasoning. They argue they could be potentially very dangerous, without even giving a reference on where they base that perspective on. The position of the catholic church and the vatican is so much wider and more progressive in comparison! 

It appears that the judges have not understood what evolution is, and that such mutations and change of genetic code is a very normal occurence, happening billion fold in the very bodies of the humans acting as judges for this court in the very same moment they singed off this ruling. They obviously have not understood what already Charles Darwin laid out in his evolution theory in the 19th century. Or Carl Woese in the 1980ies with his description of horizontal gene transfer. 

This decission is an insult to anyone who thinks rationally and considers the sciences as a source of arguments to shape his or her view on the world and compares the ignorance of the inquisition who silenced Galileo who claimed the world is not the center of the universe.  As if nature was static and would never change, as if it would break apart if there would be a willfully and knowingly induce change. This idea sounds to me as absurd, as if the judges assume the world was created 5000 years ago and dinosaur skeletons where put by some aliens into the ground just to make us wonder where they came from...How times have changed since Galileo, who would have guessed!

Not that the ruling puts the decission on how to actually handle those complex new technologies back to national legislation, thus further fragmenting the market and economic viability and usability of the knowledge on evolution and nature. It will result in different interpretations of this existentially constituting insights into how our very existance works into different nations, where language and regulatory barriers will separate the european nations in their self perception. Obivously Europe shares a continuous ecosystem, as such it will only cause a lot of trouble with genetic material crossing borders....I can already anticipate a witch hunt on people from other nations with a different perception on nature...

I call this decission pure ignorance and weakness of mind and spirit. I expected much moreintellect and moral integrity of such an institution which should be able to shoulder decissions for more than 500million people, the biggest economic zone in the world and an entire continent and its ecosystem. 
The decission is not even consistent with the notion of the precautionary principle itself, which says the world has to be left behind to the following generations in a livable condition.

I consider myself as a representative of the first generation which followed after the introduction of the precautionary principle. I was educated in molecular biology and now want to be able to determine what is a desired or non desired or dangerous and non dangerous intervention into nature after the best of my understanding and knowledge. The judges deny me to use my education and view on the world, make a living with my learned profession impossible and deny me independent decission using my own ability to judge whats right and wrong. Instead they sheepishly refer to the intention of the precautionary principle in a hard interpretation of it.
This hard interpretation puts an impossible burdon of evidence on the person willing to make the slightest modification in nature. It in return only empowers individuals and groups which play on fear and ignorance which injustifiably exaggerate non existing dangers of using this knowledge, in the same time drawing a fairy tale narrative on what the "right" nature is. This has no grounding in any reasonable science and is purely founded in ideology and religious beliefs. The voice of science and reason is smothered this way. If the legislation will not change, the world will evolutionarily drift apart in ecosystems which dont follow the precautionary principle and actively engage in shaping the genetic makeup of their nature, and Europe and countries and connected ecosystems which do.

Personally i was never in favour of such separatist development like the Brexit. Unfortunately the european Parliament is set up so weak that it cannot even sugggest new laws, which could correct this epochal failure of the judges in this court. Only a corrupt and intransparent pseudo governemnt called "EU comission" now can fix this problem. Considering their miserable political performance in other fields i have no hope though. Thus, i wish the Brexiteers best of luck. Dont accept any decissions of this court! This institution has lost its credibility for me.

A sad day for science, a sad day for Europe.
Eppur si muove.

Sincerely,
Rüdiger Trojok



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[DIYbio] Re: Eppur si muove!

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with your assessment. While I would agree that the EU should have a discussion about its stance on GMOs, that is politics and not the courts place. The court just ruled that all GMOs should be considered GMOs from a legal point of view, which makes a lot of sense to me. I would not even be surprised, if the ruling forced that discussion.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 8:38:59 PM UTC+2, Ruediger Trojok wrote:
Dear world,
today i had to read about the European court of justice decision about how they consider mutatgenesis methods to be subject to the GMO legislation.
This legislation builds upon the precautionary principle, a well intended but poorly understood idea to prevent harm from ecosystems and humans of unintended or
careless effects of human technical intervention. For some historic reason this concept is only applied on genetic engineering, not on radioactive mutatenesis of crops or other even more crude methods such as road construction spreading mutagenic toluene widely and uncontrolled into ecosystems, cities and farmland.
It argues, that the more you can possible know about the method you employ, the more care you have to take to prevent future harm, putting the burdon of proof on  the one who takes action.

The decission of the European court however argues, that even methods which cause mutations which are so mild that they cant even be distinguished from natural mutation rates also have to obey the same reasoning. They argue they could be potentially very dangerous, without even giving a reference on where they base that perspective on. The position of the catholic church and the vatican is so much wider and more progressive in comparison! 

It appears that the judges have not understood what evolution is, and that such mutations and change of genetic code is a very normal occurence, happening billion fold in the very bodies of the humans acting as judges for this court in the very same moment they singed off this ruling. They obviously have not understood what already Charles Darwin laid out in his evolution theory in the 19th century. Or Carl Woese in the 1980ies with his description of horizontal gene transfer. 

This decission is an insult to anyone who thinks rationally and considers the sciences as a source of arguments to shape his or her view on the world and compares the ignorance of the inquisition who silenced Galileo who claimed the world is not the center of the universe.  As if nature was static and would never change, as if it would break apart if there would be a willfully and knowingly induce change. This idea sounds to me as absurd, as if the judges assume the world was created 5000 years ago and dinosaur skeletons where put by some aliens into the ground just to make us wonder where they came from...How times have changed since Galileo, who would have guessed!

Not that the ruling puts the decission on how to actually handle those complex new technologies back to national legislation, thus further fragmenting the market and economic viability and usability of the knowledge on evolution and nature. It will result in different interpretations of this existentially constituting insights into how our very existance works into different nations, where language and regulatory barriers will separate the european nations in their self perception. Obivously Europe shares a continuous ecosystem, as such it will only cause a lot of trouble with genetic material crossing borders....I can already anticipate a witch hunt on people from other nations with a different perception on nature...

I call this decission pure ignorance and weakness of mind and spirit. I expected much moreintellect and moral integrity of such an institution which should be able to shoulder decissions for more than 500million people, the biggest economic zone in the world and an entire continent and its ecosystem. 
The decission is not even consistent with the notion of the precautionary principle itself, which says the world has to be left behind to the following generations in a livable condition.

I consider myself as a representative of the first generation which followed after the introduction of the precautionary principle. I was educated in molecular biology and now want to be able to determine what is a desired or non desired or dangerous and non dangerous intervention into nature after the best of my understanding and knowledge. The judges deny me to use my education and view on the world, make a living with my learned profession impossible and deny me independent decission using my own ability to judge whats right and wrong. Instead they sheepishly refer to the intention of the precautionary principle in a hard interpretation of it.
This hard interpretation puts an impossible burdon of evidence on the person willing to make the slightest modification in nature. It in return only empowers individuals and groups which play on fear and ignorance which injustifiably exaggerate non existing dangers of using this knowledge, in the same time drawing a fairy tale narrative on what the "right" nature is. This has no grounding in any reasonable science and is purely founded in ideology and religious beliefs. The voice of science and reason is smothered this way. If the legislation will not change, the world will evolutionarily drift apart in ecosystems which dont follow the precautionary principle and actively engage in shaping the genetic makeup of their nature, and Europe and countries and connected ecosystems which do.

Personally i was never in favour of such separatist development like the Brexit. Unfortunately the european Parliament is set up so weak that it cannot even sugggest new laws, which could correct this epochal failure of the judges in this court. Only a corrupt and intransparent pseudo governemnt called "EU comission" now can fix this problem. Considering their miserable political performance in other fields i have no hope though. Thus, i wish the Brexiteers best of luck. Dont accept any decissions of this court! This institution has lost its credibility for me.

A sad day for science, a sad day for Europe.
Eppur si muove.

Sincerely,
Rüdiger Trojok



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Re: [DIYbio] Degree programs in Europe?

Careers in biotech/genomics can be quite varied. You can be purely theorhetical, or work on disease outbreak genomics and prevention, you can be a lab technician, you can be cross-disciplinary, etc... You can certainly be an innovator being self-taught, but having an ID to get past a locked door at a university lab or lounge can be the key to a much larger community of (mostly) experts and otherwise dedicated people. Community labs are much less prevalent than universities and schools. Online forums can be a source of socialization and cross-pollination, but it might be hard to find a good fit. On top of that, if you're at all into non-theory or lab/hardware work... being non-local often halts a lot of collaboration, or at least certain kind of projects.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:24 PM JV <porquetutelmereces@gmail.com> wrote:

Friends, I'm trying to get my head around this: 


What specific skills should you develop to maximize your career capital in biotech/genomics? And do you necessarily need to attend a university, or can you develop them on your own, with MOOCs, etc.?


If you prefer to work in startups, and you choose to go to a university, are there any quick practical "learning-by-doing" degree/programs in Europe?


I would really appreciate your thoughts. Thanks so much!

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Re: [DIYbio] Re: Freedom Evo Tecan Troubleshooting

We were quoted $25,000 for old Qpix2 software a decade old.  Cant imagine tecan is better.  

Those companies don't profit from the 2nd hand market so they don't even want to help.

Just bought an Opentrons OT2 because of it!  

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 4:14 PM Koeng <koeng101@gmail.com> wrote:
Tecan evos tend to be an extremely locked down platform. Best option would probably to contact their reps (and maybe get a quote, if you're unlucky)

koeng

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 6:50:56 AM UTC-7, hamilr616 wrote:
Has anyone experienced an issue where the computer won't connect to the instrument? 

Thanks,
Rachel

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[DIYbio] Re: Freedom Evo Tecan Troubleshooting

Tecan evos tend to be an extremely locked down platform. Best option would probably to contact their reps (and maybe get a quote, if you're unlucky)

koeng

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Has anyone experienced an issue where the computer won't connect to the instrument? 

Thanks,
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