RE: [DIYbio] Plant Kozaks from a Cloning Perspective

Clever indeed!

That sounds like a fun genetic/statistic experiment!

As for the kozak, Im on a promoter/ expression optimization kick and am
almost done making my home brewed binary vector for agro (patent,
copyright, IP issues made me do it) and will launch it open source if
its any good. I made what I believe to be an extremely plant friendly
gfp, expression wise, and am playing with kozaks in-silico. The actual
consensus is never observed in nature, especially since its the running
average of frequency and that's assessed on a base by base basis
(tongue twister) so the likelihood of any one organism having said
sequence is [insert stats equations here] which is quite low. I think.
At least it makes sense in my noggin.

I never looked at it from the perspective of a consensus being too
strong. If you stumble across a reference do post it. I'd love to see
their findings. Anyway I plan, once I have a solid strategy for kozak
incorporation, to mix and match and mutagenize bases and see how
expression changes. Granted it will be in one organism (tobacco) but
still interesting. The last few bits of my vector will be done by next
Sunday, assuming the plasmid gods smile down upon me, and will let
y'all know what I come up with. Would love to sequence T0 and T1 plants
and see if anything took a bite of the poly-a motif and how that change
affected expression.

Side note, pre-adenylated CDS via 3'UTR is used often as a CaMV
termination signal. If the frame shift logic holds true, wouldn't the
terminator break down in a few generations of bacterial streaks? A
simple sequencing project may shed some light on this. Thanks for the
interesting perspective!

Sebastian S. Cocioba
CEO & Founder
New York Botanics, LLC
Plant Biotech R&D From: Cathal Garvey
Sent: 2/21/2014 6:00 PM
To: diybio@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DIYbio] Plant Kozaks from a Cloning Perspective
Question, first: It may be the consensus, but is it ever seen in nature?
Often, the consensus is never actually used for various reasons.

I recall hearing that consensus sigma-factor binding sites can be too
strong to allow the RNA Polymerase holoenzyme to actually leave the
promoter and start transcribing, for example. {{Citation Needed}}

That many "A"s in a row looks destined for frameshifts during
replication, though because it's not in the actual CDS perhaps that
doesn't matter. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if that poly-A tract is
broken up by one or two nucleotides in all the natural examples?

Could be blather, just a thought. I did once hack a gene in B.subtilis
that used a poly-A tract that long as part of intergenerational gene
regulation; each generation, there was a high chance of frameshift, and
therefore a chance of de-activating or re-activating the gene in the
daughter cell that inherited that mutation. Clever! :)

On 21/02/14 18:50, Sebastian Cocioba wrote:
> Here's another question for you guys and gals:
>
> The most optimal consensus sequence for EUKARYOTIC expression in plants is:
>
> AAA AAA AAA ACA
>
> upstream to the ATG and then a G at the +1 position. Making primers amplify
> this into a CDS seems to be a horrid idea. In theory, the ton of adenines
> will make for one difficult pcr attempt.
>
> What would you suggest the best method for cloning this particular sequence
> into a CDS?
>
> One method may be two shorter (adenine wise) primers that overlap and
> amplify the cds in two steps. That would leave twice the chance for error
> not to mention increase cost. The other method is synthesis but lets be
> honest, synthetic biology is great if you have money. I, like most DIY
> Biologists, have grossly insufficient funds for synthesizing every damn
> gene with said Kozak or every promoter with a terminal kozak motif.
>
> Biobricks are great but scars and the burden of making nonBB parts into BB
> is heavy.
>
> Any ideas are welcome. I know I asked this before in a more broader context
> but this time there is a more specific issue. Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Sebastian S. Cocioba
> CEO & Founder
> New York Botanics, LLC
> Plant Biotech R&D
>

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