First, my apologies for my spelling, i'm not a US native. Also apologies for writing more to this topic, but I feel I have to express a few related words.
Perhaps it would be more accepted to post things like that here if her accusations where true and there really was a problem, and not fabricated in her twisted mind and need to be center of attention. But make no mistake about her motivations, she post these things here only with the soul purpose to harm certain people and futher gain her own attention.
Seen in that perspective I personal can't understand the acceptance of her such posting in a large public mailinglist when it harms innocent people.
Seen from my seat, the obvious irony is that Jen is accusing the people in Labitat / Biologigaragen for harassment, when she is doing quite the job herself on harassing people with an infinite long flow of mails on numerous mailing lists and private mails - now going on for last couple of month - escalating to random lies, slander and threats.
Ofcourse none of her accusations is true, we are just beyond speecklessness and dead tired from her endless mails and accusations and some members including myself is running out of patience from pure frustration - It simply affects our dailylife, worklife too much - and seeing that she can just freely post whatever she pleases without some kind of moderating, it is just too much on some peoples nerves.
I personal stand by my words and guarantee that no one here that I know of have done any 'bulling' or 'harassment' thoughts her. Ofcourse people get's angry in the end, but we asked her to leave us alone numerous times. Yet she does not listen to reason, it's her world, and her world only.
This morning at work I received an long personal mail from her with endless twisted nonsense, I got angry and replied with large letters that she should seek professional help and never contact me again. Maybe that was over the top, but really, people have ther limits! Then she twists it around and writes almost the same back to me, and accuse me for having a quite harassing behavior. Everything get's twisted around here to make it look like she is a victim from the horrible people in Copenhagen Hackerspaces. It's the most sick game I have ever witnessed in my 41 years of life for sure.
I personal stand by my words and guarantee that no one here that I know of have done any 'bulling' or 'harassment' thoughts her. Ofcourse people get's angry in the end, but we asked her to leave us alone numerous times. Yet she does not listen to reason, it's her world, and her world only.
This morning at work I received an long personal mail from her with endless twisted nonsense, I got angry and replied with large letters that she should seek professional help and never contact me again. Maybe that was over the top, but really, people have ther limits! Then she twists it around and writes almost the same back to me, and accuse me for having a quite harassing behavior. Everything get's twisted around here to make it look like she is a victim from the horrible people in Copenhagen Hackerspaces. It's the most sick game I have ever witnessed in my 41 years of life for sure.
I was not going to write about the specifics, only general about the moderation part. But it is hard to explain without telling anything. So again, my apologies for that.
Finally, I suggest that people just try to ignore her, or simply moderate her as was done in the Labitat primary mailing list.
Happy hacking & cheers,
Frank, Labitat.
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
This list has a pretty good signal:noise ratio, and if it stays that way
generally then keep doing what's done. But cars are pretty safe until
other cars ram them, too. If someone(s) start making the list an
unfriendly place, then it falls to the mods to maintain the normally
high-signal, high-friendly quotient by intervening.
There is more to this than the noise:signal ratio in our inboxes,
though; I could easily add filters to my mail client (and do so often
enough, especially WRT to cypherpunks list..), but if someones are
posting public defamations on the list then it's harmful to them no
matter whether or not it affects my mail experience.
Now, public defamation is the risk you take for allowing free
discussion, especially of difficult topics. But if it becomes clear that
recourse is being sought and official or conventional channels are
agreed upon by both sides as in this case.. then the continued use of
the list for either or both sides to continue a catfight is no longer,
in my view, something worth enduring.
Preferable to changing the moderation system would be if both sides of
this dispute held to their agreement to seek mediation and cease using
public lists for broadsiding emails.
T: @onetruecathal, @IndieBBDNA
On 20/06/14 20:26, TeMPOraL wrote:
> +1, I don't think anything should be changed because of this incident; it
> worked well before and even the Jen thread developed much more politely
> than I expected.
>
> Jacek Złydach
> http://temporal.pr0.pl/devblog | http://hackerspace-krk.pl |
> http://esejepg.pl
> (Wysłane z telefonu / sent from a phone)
>
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On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz787@gmail.com> wrote:
In the 'Jen thread' she makes up ~1/3 of the posts, this seems fine. Other list members have since split that main thread a few times. Maybe I'm fine because I use Gmail so all similarly titled emails show up only as a single row in my inbox, but I see no reason to fuss about this from a signal to noise perspective.
On Jun 20, 2014 12:33 PM, "Cathal Garvey" <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:This list has a pretty good signal:noise ratio, and if it stays that way
generally then keep doing what's done. But cars are pretty safe until
other cars ram them, too. If someone(s) start making the list an
unfriendly place, then it falls to the mods to maintain the normally
high-signal, high-friendly quotient by intervening.
There is more to this than the noise:signal ratio in our inboxes,
though; I could easily add filters to my mail client (and do so often
enough, especially WRT to cypherpunks list..), but if someones are
posting public defamations on the list then it's harmful to them no
matter whether or not it affects my mail experience.
Now, public defamation is the risk you take for allowing free
discussion, especially of difficult topics. But if it becomes clear that
recourse is being sought and official or conventional channels are
agreed upon by both sides as in this case.. then the continued use of
the list for either or both sides to continue a catfight is no longer,
in my view, something worth enduring.
Preferable to changing the moderation system would be if both sides of
this dispute held to their agreement to seek mediation and cease using
public lists for broadsiding emails.
On 20/06/14 20:26, TeMPOraL wrote:
> +1, I don't think anything should be changed because of this incident; it
> worked well before and even the Jen thread developed much more politely
> than I expected.
>
> Jacek Złydach
> http://temporal.pr0.pl/devblog | http://hackerspace-krk.pl |
> http://esejepg.pl
> (Wysłane z telefonu / sent from a phone)
>
--
T: @onetruecathal, @IndieBBDNA
P: +353876363185
W: http://indiebiotech.com
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