Re: [DIYbio] Comprehensive Genome Project or Feasibility Thereof

Definitely in favor of repealing 17th amendment and reasserting States rights in Washington. Might as well repeal 16th too while at it (federal income taxes).

>matt

The US actually had more of republic overtone earlier on - originally the president was a popularity contest, the house was a very localized democracy and the senate was put in office by the various state governments.  The 17th amendment made it so the senate was voted for democratically and turned all three branches into a popularity contest while removing virtually all state influence at the federal level (and all because of the strawman that "it might lead to corruption" if the states were allowed to put senators in power instead of making it into a popularity contest).

On Friday, November 21, 2014 11:53:34 AM UTC-5, Cathal Garvey wrote:

I think the problem is "electorate". Elections mean popularity contests,
and that attracts and rewards a certain type of person.

The Athenians used sortition. Democracy isn't always electoral. I'll
wager electoral democracies have the odds stacked against equitable
governance from the outset, based on my observations of my own country
and virtually every other Anglophone nation out there.

Hanging politicians will just breed better liars; evolution, etcetera.

On 21/11/14 13:42, Matt Lawes wrote:
> Perhaps if we hung corrupt politicians?
> It would take a lot of rope and some time. But we would end up with
> representatives of the electorate.
>  >matt
>
> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
>
>
> Brian Degger <brian....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cathal,
> One of those Feindishly Devilish Problems .. how to stop the trickle up ;)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Cathal Garvey
> <cathal...@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
>  > Essential problem here: You can't, as a politician, invest in
> "science and
>  > technology" personally and then invest state funds in the field to make
>  > yourself a billionaire. But you can for many industries; oil and gas,
>  > copyright, and war. And it just so happens that War is one of the most
>  > reliable ways to achieve this, because you aren't just abusing your
>  > political position to twist the market, you can also abuse your
> position to
>  > twist diplomacy and encourage a war.
>  >
>  > Also, due to your influence, Copyright Inc might get a proportional
> boost,
>  > but they were in business before and after your influence. In
> peacetime, War
>  > Inc is worth little, but when you start a war, the proportional
> increase in
>  > share value is sudden and drastic.
>  >
>  > So, logically, investing in War Inc and starting a war is the best
> bet for a
>  > powerful and influential politician, who (thanks to her ape brain) is
>  > already probably a sociopath because of the weight of the authority she
>  > bears, making that logical investment decision easier to make.
>  >
>  > Where is your invisible hand, now? Markets, shares and investment kill as
>  > surely as Tomahawks.
>  >
>  > On 21/11/14 02:05, Dakota Hamill wrote:
>  >>
>  >> The defense budget fucks my mind.  Put 500 billion into science,
>  >> engineering, and education for one year and people wouldn't want to kill
>  >> each other because everyone's problems would be solved in a year.  Its
>  >> just so sad the amount we spend to prepare for killing each other.  At
>  >> our stage of nuclear development a world war would be the end, so it's
>  >> not conducive for any superpower to go to war.    We should invest in
>  >> technology, but no scientists want to be politicians because its fucking
>  >> corrupt
>  >>
>  >> On Nov 20, 2014 8:57 PM, "Dakota Hamill" <dko...@gmail.com
>  >> <mailto:dko...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>     Murca
>  >>
>  >>     On Nov 20, 2014 8:56 PM, "Brian Degger" <brian....@gmail.com
>  >>     <mailto:brian....@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>         And a tomahawk missile costs $1.4 million (and Raytheon has sold
>  >>         2000 of them)
>  >>
>  >>         On 21 Nov 2014 01:52, "Brian Degger" <brian....@gmail.com
>  >>         <mailto:brian....@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>             Rosetta cost $900 million+
>  >>             So $500 million seems almost cheap.
>  >>
>  >>             On 21 Nov 2014 01:32, "Dakota Hamill" <dko...@gmail.com
>  >>             <mailto:dko...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>                 Sequencing all species on earth would cost more than 500
>  >>                 million dollars unless I'm missing something
>  >>
>  >>                 De novo is harder and more costly than resequencing, but
>  >>                 not AFAIK by a factor of ten. So it seems Cory may be
>  >>                 close to the mark, but the actual cost becomes
>  >>                 person-hours, because de-novo certainly requires more
>  >>                 *work*, and that's before you discuss assembly.
>  >>
>  >>                 Nanopore may be just the ticket: extremely long, fast
>  >>                 reads potentially in the field. Perfect for low-pass
>  >>                 firehose sequence generation.
>  >>
>  >>                 On 20 November 2014 16:16:27 GMT+00:00, "Mega [Andreas
>  >>                 Stuermer]" <masters...@gmail.com
>  >>                 <mailto:masters...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>                     Sequencing won't be that low for de novo
> sequencing of
>  >> species I guess (?)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>                 --
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>  >>                 my brevity.
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