Perhaps if we hung corrupt politicians?
It would take a lot of rope and some time. But we would end up with representatives of the electorate.
>matt
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Cathal,
One of those Feindishly Devilish Problems .. how to stop the trickle up ;)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Cathal Garvey
<cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
> Essential problem here: You can't, as a politician, invest in "science and
> technology" personally and then invest state funds in the field to make
> yourself a billionaire. But you can for many industries; oil and gas,
> copyright, and war. And it just so happens that War is one of the most
> reliable ways to achieve this, because you aren't just abusing your
> political position to twist the market, you can also abuse your position to
> twist diplomacy and encourage a war.
>
> Also, due to your influence, Copyright Inc might get a proportional boost,
> but they were in business before and after your influence. In peacetime, War
> Inc is worth little, but when you start a war, the proportional increase in
> share value is sudden and drastic.
>
> So, logically, investing in War Inc and starting a war is the best bet for a
> powerful and influential politician, who (thanks to her ape brain) is
> already probably a sociopath because of the weight of the authority she
> bears, making that logical investment decision easier to make.
>
> Where is your invisible hand, now? Markets, shares and investment kill as
> surely as Tomahawks.
>
> On 21/11/14 02:05, Dakota Hamill wrote:
>>
>> The defense budget fucks my mind. Put 500 billion into science,
>> engineering, and education for one year and people wouldn't want to kill
>> each other because everyone's problems would be solved in a year. Its
>> just so sad the amount we spend to prepare for killing each other. At
>> our stage of nuclear development a world war would be the end, so it's
>> not conducive for any superpower to go to war. We should invest in
>> technology, but no scientists want to be politicians because its fucking
>> corrupt
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 8:57 PM, "Dakota Hamill" <dkotes@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dkotes@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Murca
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 8:56 PM, "Brian Degger" <brian.degger@gmail.com
>> <mailto:brian.degger@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> And a tomahawk missile costs $1.4 million (and Raytheon has sold
>> 2000 of them)
>>
>> On 21 Nov 2014 01:52, "Brian Degger" <brian.degger@gmail.com
>> <mailto:brian.degger@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Rosetta cost $900 million+
>> So $500 million seems almost cheap.
>>
>> On 21 Nov 2014 01:32, "Dakota Hamill" <dkotes@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dkotes@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sequencing all species on earth would cost more than 500
>> million dollars unless I'm missing something
>>
>> De novo is harder and more costly than resequencing, but
>> not AFAIK by a factor of ten. So it seems Cory may be
>> close to the mark, but the actual cost becomes
>> person-hours, because de-novo certainly requires more
>> *work*, and that's before you discuss assembly.
>>
>> Nanopore may be just the ticket: extremely long, fast
>> reads potentially in the field. Perfect for low-pass
>> firehose sequence generation.
>>
>> On 20 November 2014 16:16:27 GMT+00:00, "Mega [Andreas
>> Stuermer]" <masterstorm123@gmail.com
>> <mailto:masterstorm123@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sequencing won't be that low for de novo sequencing of
>> species I guess (?)
>>
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One of those Feindishly Devilish Problems .. how to stop the trickle up ;)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Cathal Garvey
<cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
> Essential problem here: You can't, as a politician, invest in "science and
> technology" personally and then invest state funds in the field to make
> yourself a billionaire. But you can for many industries; oil and gas,
> copyright, and war. And it just so happens that War is one of the most
> reliable ways to achieve this, because you aren't just abusing your
> political position to twist the market, you can also abuse your position to
> twist diplomacy and encourage a war.
>
> Also, due to your influence, Copyright Inc might get a proportional boost,
> but they were in business before and after your influence. In peacetime, War
> Inc is worth little, but when you start a war, the proportional increase in
> share value is sudden and drastic.
>
> So, logically, investing in War Inc and starting a war is the best bet for a
> powerful and influential politician, who (thanks to her ape brain) is
> already probably a sociopath because of the weight of the authority she
> bears, making that logical investment decision easier to make.
>
> Where is your invisible hand, now? Markets, shares and investment kill as
> surely as Tomahawks.
>
> On 21/11/14 02:05, Dakota Hamill wrote:
>>
>> The defense budget fucks my mind. Put 500 billion into science,
>> engineering, and education for one year and people wouldn't want to kill
>> each other because everyone's problems would be solved in a year. Its
>> just so sad the amount we spend to prepare for killing each other. At
>> our stage of nuclear development a world war would be the end, so it's
>> not conducive for any superpower to go to war. We should invest in
>> technology, but no scientists want to be politicians because its fucking
>> corrupt
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 8:57 PM, "Dakota Hamill" <dkotes@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dkotes@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Murca
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2014 8:56 PM, "Brian Degger" <brian.degger@gmail.com
>> <mailto:brian.degger@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> And a tomahawk missile costs $1.4 million (and Raytheon has sold
>> 2000 of them)
>>
>> On 21 Nov 2014 01:52, "Brian Degger" <brian.degger@gmail.com
>> <mailto:brian.degger@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Rosetta cost $900 million+
>> So $500 million seems almost cheap.
>>
>> On 21 Nov 2014 01:32, "Dakota Hamill" <dkotes@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dkotes@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sequencing all species on earth would cost more than 500
>> million dollars unless I'm missing something
>>
>> De novo is harder and more costly than resequencing, but
>> not AFAIK by a factor of ten. So it seems Cory may be
>> close to the mark, but the actual cost becomes
>> person-hours, because de-novo certainly requires more
>> *work*, and that's before you discuss assembly.
>>
>> Nanopore may be just the ticket: extremely long, fast
>> reads potentially in the field. Perfect for low-pass
>> firehose sequence generation.
>>
>> On 20 November 2014 16:16:27 GMT+00:00, "Mega [Andreas
>> Stuermer]" <masterstorm123@gmail.com
>> <mailto:masterstorm123@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sequencing won't be that low for de novo sequencing of
>> species I guess (?)
>>
>>
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