Q: Have you emailed people from ESA or NASA?
We e-mailed people from UKSA. As a UK student group, this I think is the most reasonable thing to do. They are very supportive and like our project, but cannot fund it. N. B. We have one ESA supported competitor in the Mars One competition, and one supported by DLR.
Q: If someone emailed me and said they had a great idea for a project(and it was great) and wanted to collaborate with me why would I decline?
Because the funds are sadly not available for every great project. I don't find it reasonable to e-mail any space agency and tell them we would send an awesome payload to Mars for a million dollars.
A spot on the Mars One lander is 300K USD / Kg. They pay this for their competition winner. This is what we are after. This does not include developing the payload itself, but if we win, we get funding for that too from other sources. Currently we do everything in our free time and fund it from our pockets. We only gain funding if we win the popularity contest, as that would be nice story and bring huge popularity to anyone putting money into it. Literally all sponsors said this same thing. As humiliating as it is, we have to gather facebook likes and tweet with hashtags instead of doing proper scientific work. But its only for a month, so we are up for it.
I am afraid the situation is not much better for NASA either. Most of the plant study projects have been axed in the last 10 years. There is still nice research being done, but sadly not on the scale to send greenhouses to Mars. Money is the only reason I know of against a NASA mission to send greenhouses to Mars.
"To me, someone assuming that plants are sent into Space by NASA Scientists only to see if they grow is an insult."
That was poor phrasing on my part. Sorry about that. I wish I could send you the proposal we prepared for this project that passed the technical review. We only had room for a short list of citations, but I managed to sneak in a number of nice papers about growing plants in microgravity, hypobaric conditions, and different closed systems.
On Sunday, 21 December 2014 18:12:01 UTC, Josiah Zayner wrote:
-- We e-mailed people from UKSA. As a UK student group, this I think is the most reasonable thing to do. They are very supportive and like our project, but cannot fund it. N. B. We have one ESA supported competitor in the Mars One competition, and one supported by DLR.
Q: If someone emailed me and said they had a great idea for a project(and it was great) and wanted to collaborate with me why would I decline?
Because the funds are sadly not available for every great project. I don't find it reasonable to e-mail any space agency and tell them we would send an awesome payload to Mars for a million dollars.
A spot on the Mars One lander is 300K USD / Kg. They pay this for their competition winner. This is what we are after. This does not include developing the payload itself, but if we win, we get funding for that too from other sources. Currently we do everything in our free time and fund it from our pockets. We only gain funding if we win the popularity contest, as that would be nice story and bring huge popularity to anyone putting money into it. Literally all sponsors said this same thing. As humiliating as it is, we have to gather facebook likes and tweet with hashtags instead of doing proper scientific work. But its only for a month, so we are up for it.
I am afraid the situation is not much better for NASA either. Most of the plant study projects have been axed in the last 10 years. There is still nice research being done, but sadly not on the scale to send greenhouses to Mars. Money is the only reason I know of against a NASA mission to send greenhouses to Mars.
"To me, someone assuming that plants are sent into Space by NASA Scientists only to see if they grow is an insult."
That was poor phrasing on my part. Sorry about that. I wish I could send you the proposal we prepared for this project that passed the technical review. We only had room for a short list of citations, but I managed to sneak in a number of nice papers about growing plants in microgravity, hypobaric conditions, and different closed systems.
On Sunday, 21 December 2014 18:12:01 UTC, Josiah Zayner wrote:
Have you emailed people from ESA or NASA?If someone emailed me and said they had a great idea for a project(and it was great) and wanted to collaborate with me why would I decline? At least at NASA the resources are never enough so it would be great to have a team working on some things. I work mostly on bacterial engineering or I would offer help.To me, someone assuming that plants are sent into Space by NASA Scientists only to see if they grow is an insult. Was I a little insulted, yes, maybe. It is an insult to NASA Scientists because it assumes we don't believe the 1990s Mir experiments and our Science is years behind (I will admit it can be a little behind but not that far behind). "Do some research. Geesh." was not meant to be hurtful, if it was I am sorry. It literally means "do some research because it looks like you have not". There are a number of papers online about the effects of microgravity and UV and even Martian like atmospheres on plant growth. I assumed you didn't read these, if I was remiss, forgive me.On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Ravasz <ravasz...@gmail.com> wrote:Several people are suggesting just approaching the space mission of one country or another and asking for our project to fly. I am afraid it really doesn't work that way. Space agencies, including NASA are very, very protective, and if you tell them you want to design project X for them, then they will not even read your proposal and tell you to get lost. Josiah, you suggested sending my students to NASA for internships. Sadly, if you are not a US citizen, then you are not even allowed to apply to NASA (there are exceptions, but by and large, most internships are not available to people form another country). ESA is a lot smaller organization, and the very few opportunities they provide to engage students are swamped by applicants. So casually mentioning that we could just apply to some proper organization and build our greenhouse does not work I am afraid - hence the number of projects in this competition.--
@Josiah:
I don't know why you are suddenly so agressive and wanting to start a flame war. Personal attacks are also unnecessary. When you write "do some research, Geesh" it tells me that you are just keen on insulting others, nothing more. I don't know who hurt you, if it was me then I apologies, I did not mean to offend you. Please calm down.
You wrote a number of questions in your previous e-mail about our project, but with all respect, they show that you haven't even read our 1 page project description. Please do so, all the basics are explained in our webpage and the Mars One page. Have a look here:
www.lettuceonmars.com
http://www.mars-one.com/
Also keep in mind that we are group of students working on this project for 3 months. This includes recruiting team members, and putting together the most basic documents about the project. Don't expect milliamps today. The outline of our project has been approved by teachers at our university and by members of UKSA.
I am very happy to answer future questions you might have, but if you could be a bit more respectful and friendly in you attitude, then we could have a pleasant, constructive conversation over this, which I would very much enjoy. I would like to state again that if I offended you then it was not on purpose, and I am very sorry if I did.
On Thursday, 18 December 2014 22:56:16 UTC, Mega [Andreas Stuermer] wrote:https://community.mars-one.com/projects/cyano-knights1 Very interesting. Cultivating Cyanos on Mars. Though this is only one of 10 proposed piggybac missions and one will be on board...
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