Re: [DIYbio] Re: WHO statement on roundup

This is Monsanto's statement :

Monsanto Disagrees with IARC Classification for Glyphosate
Statement from Dr. Philip Miller, Vice President Global Regulatory Affairs, Monsanto
http://news.monsanto.com/news/monsanto-disagrees-iarc-classification-glyphosate

This is the EPA fact sheet (undated):

http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw/pdfs/factsheets/soc/tech/glyphosa.pdf
Drinking Water Standards
MCLG: 0.7 mg/L
MCL: 0.7 mg/L
HAL(child): 1- to 10- day: 20 mg/L; Longer-term: 1 mg/L

Compare to the standard for fluoride in drinking water, just for number's sake: 4.0 mg/L or 4.0 ppm;
" Exposure to excessive consumption of fluoride over a lifetime may lead to increased likelihood of bone fractures in adults, and may result in effects on bone leading to pain and tenderness. Children aged 8 years and younger exposed to excessive amounts of fluoride have an increased chance of developing pits in the tooth enamel, along with a range of cosmetic effects to teeth."  -- EPA.gov web site


Re: Will Canine  - I request an apology from you regarding your recent personal attack.  Perhaps you're suffering from white knight syndrome though that's no excuse for your recent statements.

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On 3/24/15 5:58 AM, Cathal Garvey wrote:

Not to mention that agricultural exposure is already well studied and known to have a nonzero risk of harm, that's why agri workers are supposed to wear protective gear. Even then, the risks are quite low compared to other reasonably-comparable herbicides.

The risks for actual consumers of agriproduce aren't seriously considered here, and are already well established as "next to negligible".

No fan of big agrichem here, but after looking over Glyphosate's safety record and reaching my own conclusion in line with the consensus, I started using it judiciously in my own permaculture plots, in directly-applied gel form.

Given that it's literally just Glycine with a phosphate group, I'm disappointed that nobody's explored ways of cooking it up with some backyard chemistry and food-grade ingredients; I think it'd be *great fun* to distribute a "organic recipe for all natural herbicide" to hippies which is secretly just a way to make the Glyphosate they fart on about so much.

On 24/03/15 12:54, Brian Degger wrote:

Seems it was based on studies..."based on agricultural exposure."
Things to note:
   1) correlation is not the same as causation.
   2) there are no numbers and no link to the science papers.
   3) because of that we can't say anything about the doses that people
were being exposed to.
   4) does that mean that this food will give you cancer? seems not so
highly likely.

 

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