Yes, but there are a couple of problems even with that... growing bacteria is super easy, but you might accidentally grow some dangerous ones without knowing, which is illegal because you were intentionally culturing bacteria and thus aware of the risk.
Amplifying dna I think would be ok, but to do that you need to order primer oligonucleotides and companies producing them ship only to research institutions and universities, definitely not private people.
Getting informed on what can be done is a bit difficult, I think... that's because not so many people do it. Again, contacting other groups like biotinkering or people doing it in germany would be the best.
Il 11/apr/2016 19:52, "jonny aba" <brisingire@web.de> ha scritto:
-- --Hey,
your are absolutely right, it is important to respect and to follow the German law. However, it seems to me that this kit (http://www.the-odin.com/molecular-biology-lab-starter-kit/) is useful for many things not just genetic engineering.
For example, I can grow bacteria or I can multiply my own DNA (is this right?).
Therefore I am curious if It is prohibit to order all this genetic stuff or just to misuse it? Have you any idea where I can inform myself besides spending my whole day reading the law? Some written guide or somebody who dealt with this issue would be really welcome.
Unfortunately, I live over 150 kilometres away from Heidelberg. Otherwise I would have been delighted to support you in your effort to built a DIYbio community.
At the moment, I am still diving into this topic. Yesterday I found this page https://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/ which I can highly recommend.
Am Montag, 11. April 2016 15:42:00 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:Hi Jonas,German is fine, I understand it, but do you mind if I write in english?As you know, I am a biologist, but I would also like to do some DIYbio. I started to have a look on what is legally possible here and it is a bit difficult to understand how the law works.The thing is that a kit like the one you linked would be great to start off, it contains almost everything you need, but from what I've read, it seems that in Germany it would be illegal: producing even a GFP-bacterium would classify as genetic engineering and fall under the Gentechnikgesezt, which says you need an S1 laboratory to do that.So, unfortunately, I think the only way to go here in Germany is through a community lab like Biotinkerin in Berlin.
I tried to get in contact with them to get some Information about it, but I wasn't successful.
Right now I am looking for hacker/maker spaces in Heidelberg area, maybe there is some space interested in exploring biology.
Are you living around Heidelberg area?
I understand that it feels very lonely, I also got the impression that there isn't too much communication among DIYbio. I actually have all the train and the experience needed to do it and the willingness to teach to others, but one also has to stick to the legal part.
Best,
MarcoOn 9 April 2016 at 20:57, jonny aba <brisi...@web.de> wrote:Hallo,--leider habe ich keinen anderen Weg gefunden Dich zu kontaktieren. Ich hoffe es so weit in Ordnung, dass ich in deutscher Sprache antworte, ansonsten kann ich auch ins Englische wechseln.Ich habe mich in den letzten Wochen intensiv mit Genetik beschäftigt und konnte einiges an Grundkenntnissen ansammeln. Nun möchte ich mich auch im praktischen Bereich versuchen. Leider bin ich in einen vollkommen anderen Berufszweig tätig und habe keinen Zugriff auf ein Labor oder anderweitige Ausstattung. Welche Möglichkeiten gibt es in meiner Situation, mich hiermit vertraut zu machen? Ist es Sinnvoll mir ein Starter-Kit ( http://www.the-odin.com/molecular-biology-lab-starter-kit/) zuzulegen ? Mit welchen praktischen Themengebiet kann ich einstiegen um erstmals reinzuschnuppern ?Leider fühle ich mich derzeit noch recht alleine mit meinem neuen Hobby, im Web finde ich überraschend wenig Informationen. Gibt es weitere Seiten wo ich mich austauschen kann ?Solltest Du die ein oder andere Frage beantworten können wäre ich Dir sehr dankbar.Grüße JonasAm Montag, 4. April 2016 18:21:35 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:Hi,
Actually I have an academic background and a PhD in biology, but I am a great supporter of the DIYbio philosophy.
I believe biotechnology should be available to everyone and I think that DIYbio can also do a lot to improve the actual system in academy that is driven by novelty at all costs, funding wars and publish-or-perish. I think these things are causing scientists to lose more and more from their view two important aspects about science: doing it for the love of knowledge and doing it for the people, and DIYbio can help to bring this back.
I am looking for other DIYbio enthusiasts in the Heidelberg area. I am not aware of any DIYbio community here, and in this case I would seriously consider the idea to found one. Heidelberg is a great place for it, there are many biology research institution and this attracts lots of students interested in biotechnology. There are many scientific-related events such as science slams. Morevoer, there is also a very successful iGEM team.
If anyone is interested in this, please don't hesitate to contact me.
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