Re: [DIYbio] Re: DIYbio in Heidelberg, Germany

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On Apr 12, 2016 5:28 PM, "jonny aba" <brisingire@web.de> wrote:

Okay now I am sure. I checked their page. No way to buy microorganism or to have them. 

Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 23:07:12 UTC+2 schrieb jonny aba:

hey,

check this out https://www.dsmz.de/de/kataloge/katalog-mikroorganismen/organismengruppen-und-anwendungen-von-staemmen/staemme-fuer-den-schulunterricht.html

I will call them tomorrow 
Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 13:51:11 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:

No worries
Anyway, thanks for having asked, although it didn't really answer the question...

Il 12/apr/2016 13:47, "jonny aba" <brisi...@web.de> ha scritto:

I am sorry for my English. I wrote fast without checking it again. 

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Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 13:41:36 UTC+2 schrieb jonny aba:

I called a hotline in Bayern and I talked to a woman. I told her the situation that I want to grow some bacteria and that on youtube there are plenty of German videos where guys doing this stuff and if it is illegal. I also mentioned the "Biostoffverordnung". First she was confused but then she told me, that she has never heard of a privat person who had trouble with  this law. However she also couldn't tell me if it only aplys for companies or for privat people as well. 

Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 13:35:27 UTC+2 schrieb jonny aba:

okay I talked with somebody...

Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 13:11:26 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:

I mean, I understand that safety is a priority, I work in biology and I know what are the risks and there are many.
But according to such law making beer also constitutes a case, even making joghurt at home...
Probably at the Regierungspräsidium should be able to answer where is the threshold or if also breweries are affected for example. If you want to call them, this might be worth to ask

On 12 April 2016 at 13:07, jonny aba <brisi...@web.de> wrote:

yes you are right :(

Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 13:02:58 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:

Biostoffverordnung 2.9:
"The following persons shall be considered to be equivalent to employees ...: schoolchildren, students, other persons, home workers ... Business owners without employees"

Sorry, it covers everyone doing such an activity.

On Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:58:14 UTC+2, jonny aba wrote:

I am not so sure,. Maybe it only regulates the work with employees ? 

"Die Biostoffverordnung (BioStoffV) ist eine Verordnung zum Schutz von Arbeitnehmern bei Tätigkeiten mitbiologischen Arbeitsstoffen.

Die Biostoffverordnung wurde erstmals 1999 erlassen und diente der Umsetzung der Richtlinie 90/679/EWG des Rates der Europäischen Union vom 26. November 1990 über den Schutz der Arbeitnehmer gegen Gefährdung durch biologische Arbeitsstoffe bei der Arbeit."

Am Dienstag, 12. April 2016 12:44:44 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:

Sorry, but no, no cisgenics either:
the Biostoffverordnung regulates all activities involving biological agents, even isolation, culturing, etc so not only the specific case of GMOs
this law states that such activities require protective measures, which in the best case is an S1 lab

On Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:38:34 UTC+2, Mega [Andreas Stuermer] wrote:

**spezifische Einschließungsmaßnahmen angewendet werden, um den Kontakt der verwendeten Organismen mit Menschen und der Umwelt zu *begrenzen* und ein dem Gefährdungspotenzial *angemessenes Sicherheitsniveau* zu gewährleisten**

As for cisgenics:
As I read it, you can make cisgenics (and this now includes GFP)  in your basement in Germany, as long as you do everything in your power to *limit* release in the environment (i.e. no intentional release & sterilize everything and stick to lab standards)

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