On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Michael Turner <michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:33 PM, kingjacob <kingjacob@gmail.com> wrote:They aren't quite separate issues if, in fact, the 3D printing of
> @michael: just a heads up, in google groups you can fork a conversation by
> editing the subject. So rather than clutter the wiki cleaning discussion
> which is still over here with talk of 3D printing Medical Devices, we now
> have two conversations.
medical devices -- specifically implantable ones -- fails to qualify
as DIYbio.
To clarify, an eeg, glucometer and genotyping kit are just a few medical devices people have done as DIYbio. I'm not talking about implants for people to self implant. Though I wouldn't be opposed to talking about designing implants for others or even yourself if you partnered with an MD to properly carry out any procedure.
It's bioengineering, which is kind biology so I think it qualifies, not that there are really any qualifications of DIYbio ;)
> Anywho, back to 3D printing. Yes, the articles I posted are academic butI need what Wikipedia calls a reliable source. Can you give me a quote
> that's really just a word. Maybe 7 years ago when the work was first done it
> would have been outside the scope(read: price range) of DIYbio but not
> today.
from a peer-reviewed journal, book, news article? Blogs and mailing
lists generally don't count. I've got you saying that 3D printing of
medical devices (or components thereof) is DIYbio. Period. Someone
else is saying it's DIYbio if you then implant the device in yourself.
Presumably, if you implant one in someone else, you're practicing
medicine, which is not exactly DIY unless you're doing it without a
license, in which case ....
Forget hypotheticals.
Give me a proper source.
Can't. I don't know anyone in DIYbio who's used 3D printing to make a medical device. That's why I started a thread on the subject.
I'm also sorry to inform you that there are no "proper sources" on what is or isn't DIYbio. The closest thing we have is a code of ethics that really only applies to those that follow it. So paradoxes will always exist on what people think is or isn't DIYbio. You don't even have to do it all yourself for it to be DIYbio.
Cheers,
Jacob Shiach
Jacob Shiach
editor-in-chief: Citizen Science Quarterly
founder: Brightwork CoResearch
twitter: @jacobshiach
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