Re: [DIYbio] Fwd: Sharing best practices

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt@gmail.com> wrote:
> Think of the DNA as documentation. Most of us don't have pcr machines or
> sequencers, but I'd love to have access to that information about the
> organisms I interact with.

I can think of DNA as documentation. No problemo. But what am I
supposed to think of actual yeast as?

If you need to call it BoB (Bill of Biomaterials), sure, whatever. I
already belong to that church anyway.

Regards,
Michael Turner
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"Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
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> On Oct 4, 2012 1:01 AM, "Michael Turner" <michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > We are, in fact, talking about how best to convey information about a
>> > thing.
>> > Not the thing itself. If we just presented folks with the thing, and
>> > expected them to reverse engineer it, I wouldn't call that open.
>>
>> But wait: if some DIY recipe actually calls for live yeast, what's the
>> point of not including "live yeast" in the BoM? (Or somewhere that
>> lists actual physical items, materials, ingredients, etc.) What's the
>> point of instead listing the DNA sequencing of the live yeast, if the
>> DNA of the live yeast is, in fact, irrelevant to what's being
>> described? If you actually need yeast, having the DNA for it won't
>> help unless you can completely fabricate yeast from scratch. And why
>> bother even if could? Just buy some yeast.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael Turner
>> Project Persephone
>> 1-25-33 Takadanobaba
>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 169-0075
>> (+81) 90-5203-8682
>> turner@projectpersephone.org
>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>
>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 3, 2012 9:10 PM, "Michael Turner"
>> > <michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Do DNA or RNA sequences belong in the BoM? I think not. We're
>> >> > talking
>> >> > about _open_ hardware. Not just hardware.
>> >>
>> >> When you wrote "a particular sort of organism", I took you to mean an
>> >> actual organism, rather than information about the organism.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Michael Turner
>> >> Project Persephone
>> >> 1-25-33 Takadanobaba
>> >> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 169-0075
>> >> (+81) 90-5203-8682
>> >> turner@projectpersephone.org
>> >> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>> >>
>> >> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>> >> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Oct 3, 2012 3:46 AM, "Michael Turner"
>> >> > <michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Tim Schmidt <timschmidt@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > This doesn't appear to cover anything biological. If my OSHW
>> >> >> > design
>> >> >> > calls
>> >> >> > for a particular sort of organism, how should that work?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Um ... put it in the Bill of Materials? It sounds odd to use that
>> >> >> category for anything living or organic-but-dead. Still, a
>> >> >> coffeeshop
>> >> >> chain here in Japan sells branded muffins with a slogan on the
>> >> >> plastic
>> >> >> packaging: "Made of the finest materials." Not especially chewy
>> >> >> muffins, so maybe they are right.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -michael turner
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Oct 2, 2012 8:52 PM, "Bryan Bishop" <kanzure@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> From: Nathan Seidle <nathan@sparkfun.com>
>> >> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM
>> >> >> >> Subject: [Discuss] Sharing best practices
>> >> >> >> To: Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
>> >> >> >> <discuss@lists.oshwa.org>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi mailing list,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've been mulling around the best practices for sharing in the
>> >> >> >> OSHW
>> >> >> >> community. If it makes sense, I think it would be good to add
>> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> the OSHWA website someday.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XbzNvMgqbg7EyDy2UBWKvlV1WmWHWKOdjdkzAIAHTWM/edit
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Please log in if you've got a google account so we can track
>> >> >> >> changes.
>> >> >> >> My goal is to point out the major groups: real-world photos,
>> >> >> >> enclosure, PCB, code, documentation. I know there are others but
>> >> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> >> having brainstorm block at the moment.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Please remember OSHW includes more than electronics. My dream is
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> have a bicycle manufacturer in the group some day. How would they
>> >> >> >> share?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Let me know what you think.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> -Nathan
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Nathan Seidle
>> >> >> >> CEO, SparkFun Electronics Inc
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