Re: [DIYbio] Stop Frankenfish?

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Most of the effects they cite are likely due to farming conditions, not
modification. But I do agree that it won't save wild salmon, that's
bullshit.

On 09/02/14 22:26, Mega [Andreas Stuermer] wrote:
> http://www.organicconsumers.org/fish/
>
> OMG (GMO)... Just came across this :P
>
> It's just ridiculous.
>
>
> Firstly, they "throw all GM salmons in one bottle". If you add junk DNA, it
> will not grow faster than others. Only if you add growth hormone, it will.
>
>> MORE CARCINOGENIC: GMO salmon has 40% more IGF1, a hormone linked to
> prostate, breast and colon cancers in humans.
>
> This is just bullshit. Yes, they have the protein. If you eat 40% more
> salmon, you also consume 40% more of the hormone.
> The hromone is likely degraded in the stomach, under acidic conditions.
> Just saying.
>
>
> LESS NUTRITIOUS: GMO salmon has the lowest omega-3 to omega-6 ratio of any
> salmon.
>
> I am sure, if you feed a "GM salmon" (Which modification in this particular
> case?!) with Omega6 rich algae, it contains more omega6 than salmon feed
> with monoculture corn.
>
> LIKELY TO CHANGE THE BACTERIA OF YOUR GUT: Horizontal gene transfer, where
> the bacteria of the human gut takes up modified DNA from GMO foods during
> digestion, has been shown occur with soy and is likely to happen with GMO
> salmon, too.
>
> So what?!
> Not to add, it is highly!!! unlikely. But not impossible.
> It is as likely that the bacteria take up unmodified DNA as that they take
> up the modified DNA. They should learn about genetic engineering before
> posting bullshit. The DNA is stably integrated into the genome.
> IIRC, this study took a kanamycin marker and selected for gene uptake. Else
> even more unlikely to propagate succesfully.
>
> Ok, let's assume the bacteria have taken up the growth hormones. Do they
> even express it? If so fine. The bacteria won't be toxic. And you won't
> grow by eating them, leave alone by touching them.
>
>
>> ALL MESSED UP: GMO salmon has increased frequency of skeletal
> malformations like "humpback" spinal compression, increased prevalence of
> jaw erosions or "screamer disease," and multisystemic, focal inflammation
> in its tissues.
>
> If they give a good source for this I'd believe them. "too much" growth
> hormone may case the skeleton to grow abnormal. But no 2 fish in nature
> with exactly same growth hormon level :P
>
> However, they are just speaking of GM in general, so this statement is just
> junk too.
>
> Tissue inflamation due to growth hormone? Don't think so. At least,
> somatotropin was/is sold as an anti-aging drug, doing exactly the opposite.
>
>
>> NOT GOING TO SAVE WILD SALMON: The main justification for GMO salmon is
> that it could reduce the pressure on wild fish stocks, but consumption
> isn't the primary pressure on wild Alaskan salmon, destruction of their
> habitat is.
>
> Ok, but not allowing GMO fish also won't helo the natural stocks :P
>
>
>
>
> - >Ate wild fish for feed (though the make up of the diet can vary
> considerably)
>
> Is this smart? Each step in the food chain only accumulates 10%.
> 100kg Algae -> 10 kg fish1 -> 1 kg salmon.
> Why not consume fish1 instead?
>
>> The farm did not contain wastes - uneaten feed, feces and possibly harmful
> chemicals
>
> -
>
>
> - A professor of mine stated once:
>
> "Just have a look at how much organic products there are. Organic food
> means much more efforts to grow - so it's just not realistic that they
> really all were grown according to organic standards"
>
> Their page also does not feature a comments feature - usual for
> superstituos GMO opponents.
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>

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