Re: [DIYbio] Re: CyanoKnights - Cyanos on Mars - Experiment piggybac at MarsOnemission

Not to mention China's programme, though I doubt they're as interested
in grant aid to US/EU candidates. :)

On 21/12/14 07:29, Shubham Goyal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My apologies for barging into the discussion. I am not a space
> scientist, more of a computer scientist who is interested in diybio.
>
> I suggest that people work with organizations that are doing actual
> Science in Space now, NASA and ESA.
>
> I would also like to add ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation) to
> this list.
>
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars:
>
> The Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) launched its Mars
> Orbiter Mission (MOM) on November 5, 2013. It was successfully
> inserted into Mars orbit on 24 September 2014. India's ISRO is the
> fourth space agency to reach Mars, after the Soviet space program,
> NASA and ESA.[13] India became the first country to successfully get
> a spacecraft into the Martian orbit on its maiden attempt.[14]
>
>
> ​ISRO provides research grants as well as mentorship and guidance to
> proposed projects based on merit, of course. And I know for a fact, this
> is an area they are definitely interested in.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Shubham​
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Josiah Zayner <josiah.zayner@gmail.com
> <mailto:josiah.zayner@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yuriy, I am not trying to be mean, just realistic. I refuse to
> respond to anymore of your emails. You have no experience in
> developing experiments for Space or other Planets or Extrasolar
> bodies so you make lots of conjectures. It also appears you are
> trying to instigate a flame war.
>
> Understand sending a sample to the Moon is completely different, the
> sample can be returned, we can analyze the sample for many different
> genetic, epigenetic, &c effects. The project I think you read about
> online that was weakly proposed by Chris McKay is not comparable to
> sending something to Mars.
>
> I am not telling people to conform to any standards. Where did I say
> that? I am asking people to perform useful Science. I support
> privatized Space exploration. So do most at NASA, that is why the
> government is funding SpaceX /et al/.
>
> The rovers have been hampered by dust _alot_ and understand they
> have cost Billions to develop. You can't just slap a few solar
> panels on it and call it a day. Things need to be calculated and
> prepared for, sending a mission to Mars you can't just _hope_ it
> works because it's only two weeks. This is what I mean. On Earth I
> can just try something out and if it doesn't work you can try again.
> Spending Billions and sending something across our galaxy, it _must_
> work. One can't just try again if it doesn't.
>
> Where was I insulting someone's intelligence? I am asking questions
> that people on the project don't appear to have thought about. If
> they have they have not made it apparent. I am no expert on Martian
> Weather and I know the atmosphere of Mars is less dense. I just
> assumed that if a parachute can blow around in the wind of Mars
> something that doesn't weigh that much could also be blown over,
> especially in a severe storm. If you have data and calculations that
> my assumptions are wrong that's great. That is all I ask, that
> people test and apply actual data to their experiments.
>
> Just the simplest question, "What type of ground is the experiment
> going to be placed on and how?" is of extreme importance! Is it
> going to be in the shade, on a slant, on a rock, will it tip over?
> Again! These are things that most people randomly proposing an
> experiment will not think of and so will not design around. That is
> why I say why not interact with people who do Space Science for a
> living?
>
> Mars One is not a fledgling organization, SpaceX is a fledgling
> organization, Mars One is a joke. Forgive me if I am skeptical but
> evidence does not point to it being a realistic successful
> organization. Where are they ever going to acquire the billions (or
> even let's say they do it on a budget of $1 billion) to send
> something to Mars?
>
> It is nearly 2015 and they plan on sending something to Mars by
> 2018. They have no detailed plans, no Scientists working on building
> things for them. Do you honestly believe in 3 years they can go from
> no employees to a Mars mission with very little financial backing?
> What rockets will they use? I suggest that people work with
> organizations that are doing actual Science in Space now, NASA and ESA.
>
> I used to support Mars One, I thought it was an interesting idea
> but now I think they are outright lying to people. I refuse to
> support them anymore and I tell you not to. Yes, I will ridicule
> Mars One and their projects.
>
> If you have evidence that Mars One is capable of creating a Mars
> mission in 3 years please let us know. It took NASA 7 years with a
> fully functional organization and a huge budget.
>
>
>
> Josiah Zayner, Ph.D.
> NASA Ames Research Center
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Yuriy Fazylov <yuriyology@gmail.com
> <mailto:yuriyology@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> NASA, brick in the wall, poster child. Telling others to conform
> to bureaucratic (aka costly & time consuming) standards?
>
> Mars One could be a publicity stunt but it could also be a
> fledgling organization, an organization that has very little
> guidance. Just because they are not explicit doesn't mean they
> aren't worth the attention. No organization is absolute. See if
> they need a helping hand. What's your strategy, ridicule it?
>
> There are so many NASA projects that still make a debut on their
> channel but have long been scrapped. Need for spacer footage
> never seems to astound.
>
> The dust that settles on an installation could just as easily
> blow off. I mean look at the rovers. They are still at it, last
> I checked. Or were at it longer than expected. Problems will
> arise at the one week mark of a 2 week experiment. Right?
>
> >NASA is not sending plants to the ISS to see if they will grow... Do some research. Geesh. Growing plants in Space was originally done in the 1990s.
> Yes, but they sure like to ride coattails of organizations,
> researchers, and universities that still do. They do that even
> when one of their astronauts does so unofficially.
>
> >You think spending billions of dollars on a 2 week experiment is worth it when the exact same experiment can be done on Earth?
> Don't know... Ask NASA's Chris McKay.
>
> >Why does your experiment need to be done on Mars? Why not do it on Earth? You put your "micro-greenhouse" outside in a storm and it would be blown over in 5 minutes. These are things that can all be tested on Earth.
> On your way of insulting other people's intelligence, you aren't
> doing yourself a favor either. I assume that you do understand
> that the Martian atmosphere is way more sparse than that of
> earth when you made that remark.
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