Re: [DIYbio] Re: CyanoKnights - Cyanos on Mars - Experiment piggybac at MarsOnemission

Yuriy, I am not trying to be mean, just realistic. I refuse to respond to anymore of your emails. You have no experience in developing experiments for Space or other Planets or Extrasolar bodies so you make lots of conjectures. It also appears you are trying to instigate a flame war.

Understand sending a sample to the Moon is completely different, the sample can be returned, we can analyze the sample for many different genetic, epigenetic, &c effects. The project I think you read about online that was weakly proposed by Chris McKay is not comparable to sending something to Mars.

I am not telling people to conform to any standards. Where did I say that? I am asking people to perform useful Science. I support privatized Space exploration. So do most at NASA, that is why the government is funding SpaceX et al.

The rovers have been hampered by dust _alot_ and understand they have cost Billions to develop. You can't just slap a few solar panels on it and call it a day. Things need to be calculated and prepared for, sending a mission to Mars you can't just _hope_ it works because it's only two weeks. This is what I mean. On Earth I can just try something out and if it doesn't work you can try again. Spending Billions and sending something across our galaxy, it _must_ work. One can't just try again if it doesn't.

Where was I insulting someone's intelligence? I am asking questions that people on the project don't appear to have thought about. If they have they have not made it apparent. I am no expert on Martian Weather and I know the atmosphere of Mars is less dense. I just assumed that if a parachute can blow around in the wind of Mars something that doesn't weigh that much could also be blown over, especially in a severe storm. If you have data and calculations that my assumptions are wrong that's great. That is all I ask, that people test and apply actual data to their experiments.

Just the simplest question, "What type of ground is the experiment going to be placed on and how?" is of extreme importance! Is it going to be in the shade, on a slant, on a rock, will it tip over? Again! These are things that most people randomly proposing an experiment will not think of and so will not design around. That is why I say why not interact with people who do Space Science for a living?

Mars One is not a fledgling organization, SpaceX is a fledgling organization, Mars One is a joke. Forgive me if I am skeptical but evidence does not point to it being a realistic successful organization. Where are they ever going to acquire the billions (or even let's say they do it on a budget of $1 billion) to send something to Mars?

It is nearly 2015 and they plan on sending something to Mars by 2018. They have no detailed plans, no Scientists working on building things for them. Do you honestly believe in 3 years they can go from no employees to a Mars mission with very little financial backing? What rockets will they use? I suggest that people work with organizations that are doing actual Science in Space now, NASA and ESA.

I used to support Mars One, I  thought it was an interesting idea but now I think they are outright lying to people. I refuse to support them anymore and I tell you not to. Yes, I will ridicule Mars One and their projects.

If you have evidence that Mars One is capable of creating a Mars mission in 3 years please let us know. It took NASA 7 years with a fully functional organization and a huge budget.
 

Josiah Zayner, Ph.D.

NASA Ames Research Center

 

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Yuriy Fazylov <yuriyology@gmail.com> wrote:

NASA, brick in the wall, poster child. Telling others to conform to bureaucratic (aka costly & time consuming) standards?

Mars One could be a publicity stunt but it could also be a fledgling organization, an organization that has very little guidance. Just because they are not explicit doesn't mean they aren't worth the attention. No organization is absolute. See if they need a helping hand. What's your strategy, ridicule it?

There are so many NASA projects that still make a debut on their channel but have long been scrapped. Need for spacer footage never seems to astound.

The dust that settles on an installation could just as easily blow off. I mean look at the rovers. They are still at it, last I checked. Or were at it longer than expected. Problems will arise at the one week mark of a 2 week experiment. Right?

>NASA is not sending plants to the ISS to see if they will grow... Do some research. Geesh. Growing plants in Space was originally done in the 1990s.
Yes, but they sure like to ride coattails of organizations, researchers, and universities that still do. They do that even when one of their astronauts does so unofficially.

>You think spending billions of dollars on a 2 week experiment is worth it when the exact same experiment can be done on Earth?
Don't know... Ask NASA's Chris McKay.

>Why does your experiment need to be done on Mars? Why not do it on Earth? You put your "micro-greenhouse" outside in a storm and it would be blown over in 5 minutes. These are things that can all be tested on Earth.
On your way of insulting other people's intelligence, you aren't doing yourself a favor either. I assume that you do understand that the Martian atmosphere is way more sparse than that of earth when you made that remark.

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