Hello everyone!
I resume the topic because I actually bought and read the book written by Rüdiger Trojok.
He suggested to buy the book and read it, because he didn't have time to answer always to the same questions and suggested to look for "selbstklonierung".
Well, I read almost all the book (I just left out the inital part on biology theory) and unfortunately I found nothing of what I was looking for.
The content of the book is a very general picture of biohacking, it doesn't treat anything in detail. I guess its purpose is more to explain to the general public what DIYbio is about rather than helping DIYers in starting off with biohacking in Germany.
Regaring selbstklonierung, in chapter 12.2 it states"Selbst gentechnische Arbeiten der niedrigsten Sicherheitsstufe durchzuführen, ist für Einzelpersonen de facto legal nicht möglich. Es gibt jedoch eine Ausnahmeregelung: die Selbstklonierung". Then it goes on explaining that selbstclonierung is not classified as GMO, but that anyaway the law is unclear. Even so, in germany activity with biological agents is anyway regulated, so GMO or not there are some legal requirements to be fulfilled. However, the book never goes in the detail of it: it doesn't explain how to organize your things, such as how to store chemicals, how to manage biological waste, if and how to register to authorithies...
There is just a very general statement: "Bei Unklarheiten und Fragen, ob man ein Experiment außerhalb eines Labors durchführen kann oder nicht, wendet man sich im Einzelfall am besten direkt an die zuständige Person für Gentechnik in den Landsgesundheitsämtern".
There are actually some errors, typos here and there (at least in the kindle version), but more importantly in the chapter about synthetic biology there is some serious confusion between transcription and translation, promoters, terminators and RBSs.
In conclusion, after having read the book, I am not a step closer to understand what are the legal borders of DIYbio in Germany, which was the reason Rüdiger suggested me his book and why I wanted to read it.
In conclusion, after having read the book, I am not a step closer to understand what are the legal borders of DIYbio in Germany, which was the reason Rüdiger suggested me his book and why I wanted to read it.
Apart from this disappointment, the book is a general description of the main aspects of biohacking, from theory, to practice, to its relationship to society. It is basically the only book focusing on germany, therefore it is valuable in this sense, especially in raising visibility of the DIYbio movement and dealing with people's curiosity in it.
However, the book doesn't treat in detail any of the aspect, so if you are already engaged in the movement, you won't really find anything new, apart from some sporadic information.
However, the book doesn't treat in detail any of the aspect, so if you are already engaged in the movement, you won't really find anything new, apart from some sporadic information.
I think I'll try again to contact Rüdiger, telling him that I read the book. I hope this time he would find some time to answer my questions.
Do you have
On 20 April 2016 at 15:11, Marco Raffaele Cosenza <marco.r.cosenza@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me know if you buy it and especially if you find something regarding the legal situation in Germany!
Best,MarcoOn 19 April 2016 at 23:38, jonny aba <brisingire@web.de> wrote:Hey,--yes the book seems quite promising. I will order it as soon as I will have finished my current one (http://www.amazon.de/Gentechnologie-f%C3%BCr-Einsteiger-T-Brown/dp/3827428688/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461101856&sr=1-1&keywords=gentechnologie+f%C3%BCr+einsteiger)
Am Montag, 18. April 2016 14:58:37 UTC+2 schrieb ukitel:Hello guys,
I have a small update about the situation:
I indeed got in touch with people at biotinkering: after writing to the moderators I was added to the mailing list.
I opened a thread asking for generic help about what can be done and what not in germany in the DIYbio area
Rüdiger Trojok answered providing me two links on the subject:
the first one is a document for the technology assessment office of the Bundestag
http://www.tab-beim-bundestag.de/de/pdf/publikationen/berichte/TAB-Arbeitsbericht-ab164.pdf
the second one is his recent book on Biohacking:
http://www.amazon.de/Biohacking-Gentechnologie-alle-R%C3%BCdiger-Trojok/dp/3645604200
Both seem to me to be very general, or at least to include much more information that the one I needed (I was looking for some focused info on how to relate with the law and the authorities)... So I tried to start a conversation with the intent of pinning down the main points and how they are organized, but regrettably it didn't work. I guess I'll have to read the book and search for that information myself, with my german it'll take me a while... :D
Of course, any kind of help is welcome!
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