Re: [DIYbio] Re: Stop Frankenfish?

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> High fructose corn syrup instead of sugar.
This is marketing, and was never "suggested" by dieticians or
"scientists". It was adopted because it's economical, sweeter, and
addictive. "Scientists" and Dieticians, who you seem hell-bent on
blaming for everything, are the group who spent the most time denouncing
the use of HFCS.

Seeing as you're aligning yourself with anti-GMO hippies in this
discussion, perhaps you've heard of "Coconut Sugar" and "Agave Syrup",
often touted as "NATURAL" and "WHOLESOME" alternatives to "conventional"
AGRICHEM sweeteners. One is just sugar, the other high-fructose syrup.

So, glass houses, etc.

> Splenda.
Find proof of harm, please.
(Though I'll grant you the marketing is blatant lies; it's not "made
from sugar", and saying so should be illegal.)

> Saccharine.
Find proof of harm, please.

> Aspartame.
Find proof of harm, please.

> Lead acetate as sweetener.
Can't comment; don't know enough. Suspect this is a very antique
example, though.

> Multi-vitamins.
This isn't "forced on" anyone, it's marketed to people to voluntarily
choose, or not, by regular marketing. The only vitamins and minerals
"forced" on anyone are those with extensive proof of public benefit;
iodised salt, folic acid in staple foods, etc.

> Arsenic in US rice
Nobody ever suggested this was safe. It's a natural consequence of
growing an Arsenic accumulator in arsenic-rich regions while extracting
increasing amounts of groundwater from arsenic-laced aquifers.

> Olestra
Find proof of harm. Nobody wants it anymore of course, because of the,
ahem, side-effects, but I've never heard of it causing significant (in
the scientific sense) harm. Nor have I heard of it being "forced" on
anyone or its use supported by false evidence.

On 13/02/14 19:58, Jonathan Cline wrote:
> There is no scientific data showing harm from
> genetically modified foods yet. Emphasis on the YET.
> Maybe it is completely harmless, or maybe not.
>
> Science has repeatedly shown in the medical realm
> especially regarding basic nutrition that the scientists
> are often incorrect or naive or biased. If any intelligent
> conversation is had on this topic, then all parties will
> eventually agree that it is a medical/nutrition experiment
> which will take decades to complete (that is, monitoring the
> health impact on humans throughout their lives, which takes
> many years).
>
> Consumers have not forgotten the evils of false labeling or
> poorly tested food products marketed as safe.
>
> It is the political agenda which specifically forces improperly
> or sneakily labelled products into consumers hands, by bending
> or biasing legislation typically enacted for beneficial purposes
> (look at the corruption of FDA regulations for political and
> corporate aims).
>
> High fructose corn syrup instead of sugar.
> Splenda.
> Saccharine.
> Aspartame.
> Lead acetate as sweetener.
> Multi-vitamins.
> Arsenic in US rice
> Olestra
>
> How many more examples should we care to list? Feel like
> putting the health of your children's lives in the hands of some
> corporations opinions of what should or shouldn't be "good
> marketing" on the product label?
>
> I'm not any expert on nutrition scandals by far yet only superficially
> paying attention to the news I know of dozens of these far reaching
> examples.
>
> How about the purposely evil ones, like,
>
> Melamine in milk
> plasticizer - DEHP in fruit juices
>
>
> If consumers want to experiment with their health, and purposely
> eat GMOs or the above ingredients, then more power to the
> consumer for the freedom to do so. The evil is in hiding ingredients
> whereby the fundamentals of capitalism are destroyed:
> free market choice.
>
> Only in an open market will evidence regarding merits or harms
> truly flourish long term, and this can not be accomplished by hiding
> the phrase "Contains Genetically Modified Materials" from the product
> packaging. Consumers must be able to make reliable choices about
> the fundamental aspect of life: what they are eating.
>
>
> How about this recent timely article?
>
> The Guardian, Friday 7 February 2014
> "Fake-food scandal revealed as tests show third of products mislabelled"
>
> "Consumers are being sold drinks with banned flame-retardant
> additives, pork in beef, and fake cheese, laboratory tests show"
>
> "Consumers are being sold food including mozzarella that is less than
> half real cheese, ham on pizzas that is either poultry or "meat
> emulsion", and frozen prawns that are 50% water, according to tests by
> a public laboratory."
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/07/fake-food-scandal-revealed-tests-products-mislabelled
>
>
> And now you want to trust a corporation who is splicing
> who-knows-what-gene into who-knows-what-ingredient of
> your breakfast cereal for your kids, as a public medical
> experiment? On the basis of science not YET demonstrating
> that there is any regulatory network involved with that gene?
> What!
> Geneticists can't even measure what they are purposely looking
> for, let alone measure what they aren't looking for! Sound nuts?
>
> It's your choice, and my choice too, only with a valid product label
> can I make that choice one way or the other.
>
>
> On 2/13/14, Simon Quellen Field <sfield@scitoys.com> wrote:
>>
>> Labeling products as GMO is not about preventing harm. [...]
>> based on no scientific data showing harm.
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Cline <jncline@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> GMO food is evil until the day comes when food sourcing and food
>>> packaging
>>> is reliable enough for the consumer to make a choice regarding whether or
>>> not to purchase the product. The evil is in the nefarious method of
>>> either
>>> forcing or sneaking products into the consumer's hands, which the
>>> consumer
>>> might not prefer or would not pick if given the choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ## Jonathan Cline
>>> ## jcline@ieee.org
>>> ## Mobile: +1-805-617-0223
>>> ########################
>>>
>

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