Re: [DIYbio] Re: Stop Frankenfish?

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Also, what the hell is this?

> Melamine in milk
> plasticizer - DEHP in fruit juices

Are you equating the use of GE food crops, which have been more
thoroughly tested for safety than *any other technology I've yet seen*,
with deliberate, illegal adulteration of food with plastics by people
who *know they'll kill children doing so*?

Please explain.

On 13/02/14 19:58, Jonathan Cline wrote:
> There is no scientific data showing harm from
> genetically modified foods yet. Emphasis on the YET.
> Maybe it is completely harmless, or maybe not.
>
> Science has repeatedly shown in the medical realm
> especially regarding basic nutrition that the scientists
> are often incorrect or naive or biased. If any intelligent
> conversation is had on this topic, then all parties will
> eventually agree that it is a medical/nutrition experiment
> which will take decades to complete (that is, monitoring the
> health impact on humans throughout their lives, which takes
> many years).
>
> Consumers have not forgotten the evils of false labeling or
> poorly tested food products marketed as safe.
>
> It is the political agenda which specifically forces improperly
> or sneakily labelled products into consumers hands, by bending
> or biasing legislation typically enacted for beneficial purposes
> (look at the corruption of FDA regulations for political and
> corporate aims).
>
> High fructose corn syrup instead of sugar.
> Splenda.
> Saccharine.
> Aspartame.
> Lead acetate as sweetener.
> Multi-vitamins.
> Arsenic in US rice
> Olestra
>
> How many more examples should we care to list? Feel like
> putting the health of your children's lives in the hands of some
> corporations opinions of what should or shouldn't be "good
> marketing" on the product label?
>
> I'm not any expert on nutrition scandals by far yet only superficially
> paying attention to the news I know of dozens of these far reaching
> examples.
>
> How about the purposely evil ones, like,
>
> Melamine in milk
> plasticizer - DEHP in fruit juices
>
>
> If consumers want to experiment with their health, and purposely
> eat GMOs or the above ingredients, then more power to the
> consumer for the freedom to do so. The evil is in hiding ingredients
> whereby the fundamentals of capitalism are destroyed:
> free market choice.
>
> Only in an open market will evidence regarding merits or harms
> truly flourish long term, and this can not be accomplished by hiding
> the phrase "Contains Genetically Modified Materials" from the product
> packaging. Consumers must be able to make reliable choices about
> the fundamental aspect of life: what they are eating.
>
>
> How about this recent timely article?
>
> The Guardian, Friday 7 February 2014
> "Fake-food scandal revealed as tests show third of products mislabelled"
>
> "Consumers are being sold drinks with banned flame-retardant
> additives, pork in beef, and fake cheese, laboratory tests show"
>
> "Consumers are being sold food including mozzarella that is less than
> half real cheese, ham on pizzas that is either poultry or "meat
> emulsion", and frozen prawns that are 50% water, according to tests by
> a public laboratory."
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/07/fake-food-scandal-revealed-tests-products-mislabelled
>
>
> And now you want to trust a corporation who is splicing
> who-knows-what-gene into who-knows-what-ingredient of
> your breakfast cereal for your kids, as a public medical
> experiment? On the basis of science not YET demonstrating
> that there is any regulatory network involved with that gene?
> What!
> Geneticists can't even measure what they are purposely looking
> for, let alone measure what they aren't looking for! Sound nuts?
>
> It's your choice, and my choice too, only with a valid product label
> can I make that choice one way or the other.
>
>
> On 2/13/14, Simon Quellen Field <sfield@scitoys.com> wrote:
>>
>> Labeling products as GMO is not about preventing harm. [...]
>> based on no scientific data showing harm.
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Cline <jncline@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> GMO food is evil until the day comes when food sourcing and food
>>> packaging
>>> is reliable enough for the consumer to make a choice regarding whether or
>>> not to purchase the product. The evil is in the nefarious method of
>>> either
>>> forcing or sneaking products into the consumer's hands, which the
>>> consumer
>>> might not prefer or would not pick if given the choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ## Jonathan Cline
>>> ## jcline@ieee.org
>>> ## Mobile: +1-805-617-0223
>>> ########################
>>>
>

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